Thread dedicated to the Holy Virgin Mary, Mother of God, Queen of Heaven.

[Daze]

By contrast the Protestant Church welcomes women priests (below)-

I find this interesting. As woman preachers in Islam are a modern day problem. As Islam still exercises segragation of the sexes. What about the verse in Corinthians?

Women are to be silent in the churches. They are not permitted to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
1 Corinthians 14:34

Guessing like much of the bible, its just thrown out, yes?

 

[SnowFall]

There were plenty of women involved with the early Christian churches long before catholicism was invented, for example the evangelist Philip had four daughters who were preachers, and the early Christian sect in Phrygia was led by Montanus and two women preachers, Priscilla and Maximilla.
And Paul paid glowing tributes to women -"I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant of the church in Cenchrea..she has been a great help to many people, including me..
Greet Priscilla , my fellow worker in Christ Jesus, she risked her life for me.
Greet Mary, who worked very hard for you..
Greet Tryphena and Tryphosa and Persis, those women who work hard in the Lord.
Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord, and his mother, who has been a mother to me, too.
Greet Julia.." (Romans ch 16)

And he reminds us -
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28 )

so I can't understand why the Catholic Church fathers don't like women..
By contrast the Protestant Church welcomes women priests (below)-

Being a big help doesn’t mean being an ordained priest:
Corinthians: “Women should be silent during the church meetings. It is not proper for them to speak. They should be submissive, just as the law says.”

yes and Protestants also allow gay marriage, go figure.

 

[SnowFall]

I find this interesting. As woman preachers in Islam are a modern day problem. As Islam still exercises segragation of the sexes. What about the verse in Corinthians?

Women are to be silent in the churches. They are not permitted to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
1 Corinthians 14:34

Guessing like much of the bible, its just thrown out, yes?

This is something we can agree on and funnily enough I just quoted the same passage.

 

[SnowFall]

It's a mother goddess religion that's what it is sorry. Roman is good at emulation.

How can it be a mother goddess religion when we don’t worship Mary we only worship God?

 

[SnowFall]

But when the disciples asked Jesus how to pray, he replied- "Our Father which art in heaven...", he never said we weren't worthy to speak to God.
Like I said, Mary and the saints are dead humans, so praying to them might be just like firing blanks..

"..should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?" (Isaiah 8:19)

1. He was talking about prayer to God
2. Nope Mary isn’t dead

 

[Daze]

This is something we can agree on and funnily enough I just quoted the same passage.

Islam and Christianity are largely the same as both worship God the father. For example your 10 commandments are also present in Islam while all of your prophets from Adam to Abraham to Jesus are also my prophets.

The main difference between us is setting up partners with God. Some like Red Sky worship Jesus, others like you worship Mary. While the Muslim prays to God the father alone without partner.

We will all return to the Creator eventually and he will inform us of what we used to do.

 

[Tidal]

Women are to be silent in the churches. They are not permitted to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
1 Corinthians 14:34
Guessing like much of the bible, its just thrown out, yes?

Haha you're triggered..
I was waiting for somebody to quote that verse of Pauls so that I could put it into context.
He wrote it to the early Christian church in Corinth which had a reputation for not shaping up-
"I already gave you a warning when I was with you the second time. I now repeat it while absent: On my return I won't spare those who sinned earlier or any of the others" (2 Cor 13:2)

So in context he had a beef with the yappy Corinthian women who were just using the church as a drop-in centre for coffee and gossip, and had to tell them to shut their traps because they were disrupting church services.
If you scroll to my earlier post you'll see Paul praised the sensible type of women church members.

Fact is God himself encouraged sensible women to preach, and said so through the prophet Joel..-

"In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. On my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will speak." (Joel 2:28-32)

 

[Tidal]

..Protestants also allow gay marriage, go figure.

Some Protestants do, but by no means all.
Anybody who is for gay marriage can't be a true Christian..
They can't get under Jesus's radar, he said-
"Not all who call me "Lord, Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven. Then I'll tell them plainly, I never knew you, get away from me" (Matt 7:21-23)

PS- I'm non-denominational and don't go to any church because I don't need them to do my thinking for me,
Jesus said:-"You have one teacher, me" (Matt 23:10)

 

[Daze]

Haha you're triggered..
I was waiting for somebody to quote that verse of Pauls so that I could put it into context.
He wrote it to the early Christian church in Corinth which had a reputation for not shaping up-
"I already gave you a warning when I was with you the second time. I now repeat it while absent: On my return I won't spare those who sinned earlier or any of the others" (2 Cor 13:2)

So in context he had a beef with the yappy Corinthian women who were just using the church as a drop-in centre for coffee and gossip, and had to tell them to shut their traps because they were disrupting church services.
If you scroll to my earlier post you'll see Paul praised the sensible type of women church members.

Fact is God himself encouraged sensible women to preach, and said so through the prophet Joel..-

"In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. On my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will speak." (Joel 2:28-32)

I'm not triggered at all as I'm not a Christian. I have nothing to "defend".

Just thought it interesting your book says women can't speak in church, yet you have woman giving the sermons. So 75% of the time, its only a woman talking.

As I've mentioned above, woman preachers are forbidden in Islam yet more and more masjids today are getting women preachers due to feminism, knowledge being removed and other satanic agendas.

Its a sign of the end, while you seem to welcome it. As i said.. interesting.

 

[Maldarker]

I think you must be thinking of something else
intercede
verb [ I ]
formal

UK

/ˌɪn.təˈsiːd/ US

/ˌɪn.t̬ɚˈsiːd/

to use your influence to persuadesomeone in authority to forgiveanother person, or save this personfrom punishment:
Several religious leaders have interceded with the authorities on behalf of the condemned prisoner.

Nope meant what i meant. I'm referencing what the catholic church is see the def again of catholic.

adjective

1. including a wide variety of things; all-embracing. ALL-EMBRACING (Universal)

 

[pescatarian09]

that’s why I can and do pray to different saints.

Wow you are digging yourself deeper and deeper into a hole with every reply.

When you pray to Mary and all these saints, and wheoever else you pray to, you are assuming they can hear you from beyond the grave, and that they possess the power to grant your request. You are assuming they are (1) all-hearing and all-knowing, and (2) all-powerful. But in fact, these so-called "saints" are all dead, they are nothing but decomposed skeletons, they cannot hear you, nor do they have any power to bring you good, or bring you evil. It is only God who is all-knowing and all-powerful, and so, by calling on these figures, you are attributing qualities that only God alone possesses, to these figures, and thus you are making them God-like persons alongside God, who share in God's power. Do you think this is what God loves, and what God has ordained? No, rather it is the greatest crime, and invokes God's anger.

 

[Tidal]

..woman preachers are forbidden in Islam..

And in Catholicism.
Wonder which of these words of God caths and muslims don't understand?-

"In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. On my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will speak." (Joel 2:28-32)

 

[Tidal]

One of the 10 Commandments is "Thou shall have no other God but me", yet by praying to Mary and saints, catholics are regarding them as "almost-Gods" which doesn't sound good to me.

 

[pescatarian09]

They worship alongside God things that can neither harm nor benefit them, and say, ‘These are our intercessors with God.’ Say, ‘Do you think you can tell God about something He knows not to exist in the heavens or earth? Glory be to Him! He is far above the partner-gods they associate with Him!
Quran 10:18

[Prophet], set your face towards religion as a man of pure faith. Do not be one of those who join partners with God; Do not pray to any other [god] that can neither benefit nor harm you: if you do, you will be one of the evildoers. If God inflicts harm on you, no one can remove it but Him, and if He intends good for you, no one can turn His bounty away; He grants His bounty to any of His servants He will. He is the Most Forgiving, the Most Merciful. Say, ‘People, the Truth has come to you from your Lord. Whoever follows the right path follows it for his own good, and whoever strays does so to his own loss: I am not your guardian.’
Quran 10:105-108

Say [Prophet], ‘Consider those you pray to other than God: show me which part of the earth they created or which share of the heavens they own; bring me a previous scripture or some vestige of divine knowledge––if what you say is true.’ Who could be more wrong than a person who calls on those other than God, those who will not answer him till the Day of Resurrection, those who are unaware of his prayers, those who, when all mankind is gathered, will become his enemies and disown his worship?
Quran 46:4-6

 

[Maldarker]

How can it be a mother goddess religion when we don’t worship Mary we only worship God?

That's just it your so blind with the scales on the eyes you don't see it.

 

[Daze]

And in Catholicism.
Wonder which of these words of God caths and muslims don't understand?-

"In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. On my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will speak." (Joel 2:28-32)

This exists in Islam as well, but its a bad end times sign when woman prophesize. Idk if you've ever entered a mosque Tidal but woman are usually behind a wall and if no walls are present they are behind the men.

There's are reasons for this, such as its not appropriate for a woman to be bending over in front of a man during worship. While you have them up on stage, and seem to be happy to do so.

We have roles while woman was not created to be a community leader. Sure, modern feminists beg to differ, but this is more a satanic agenda. I'm surprised to see you defend it to be honest.

 

[SnowFall]

Islam and Christianity are largely the same as both worship God the father. For example your 10 commandments are also present in Islam while all of your prophets from Adam to Abraham to Jesus are also my prophets.

The main difference between us is setting up partners with God. Some like Red Sky worship Jesus, others like you worship Mary. While the Muslim prays to God the father alone without partner.

We will all return to the Creator eventually and he will inform us of what we used to do.

I have explained to you that I don’t worship Mary. It seems you won’t listen.

 

[SnowFall]

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Wow you are digging yourself deeper and deeper into a hole with every reply.

When you pray to Mary and all these saints, and wheoever else you pray to, you are assuming they can hear you from beyond the grave, and that they possess the power to grant your request. You are assuming they are (1) all-hearing and all-knowing, and (2) all-powerful. But in fact, these so-called "saints" are all dead, they are nothing but decomposed skeletons, they cannot hear you, nor do they have any power to bring you good, or bring you evil. It is only God who is all-knowing and all-powerful, and so, by calling on these figures, you are attributing qualities that only God alone possesses, to these figures, and thus you are making them God-like persons alongside God, who share in God's power. Do you think this is what God loves, and what God has ordained? No, rather it is the greatest crime, and invokes God's anger.

I’m speaking Gods truth, whether you like it or not

1. Only God is all knowing and all powerful

2. The Holy Virgin Mary is absolutely alive and she was taken into heaven alive.

3. all Saints are alive also, because through Christ’s blood they gain eternal life. They are as alive as you and me in heaven.

4. prayer doesn’t equal worship

5. since Catholicism is Gods chosen church, then yes, God gives his stamp of approval

6. It’s heretical doctrines of Islam that God wouldn’t condone

 

[SnowFall]

And in Catholicism.
Wonder which of these words of God caths and muslims don't understand?-

"In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. On my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will speak." (Joel 2:28-32)

yes, but women have their own roles in the church, not as Priests

 

[SnowFall]

And in Catholicism.
Wonder which of these words of God caths and muslims don't understand?-

"In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. On my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will speak." (Joel 2:28-32)

yes, but women have their own roles in the church, not as Priests