LGBT+ movement starting to backfire [part 3]

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Anyone else notice the push to sexualise
In the late 1980s I took a college course which focused on subliminal sexualization in print advertising ... it was a real eye-opener in what was "snuck in" seemingly innocuous images for, say, Smirnoff Vodka (as an example) ... we came to call it Penis Vodka and a common challenge was for us to find a printed magazine ad with hidden penises or hidden vaginas etc. and Smirnoff I think became to "go to" for your homework.

Back then it was "adult" images, but these days one can find plenty of kitty stuff. I'm not sure when the increase in child porn "blossomed" but it seems to me it was sometime in the late 1990s when UseNet became a hot spot for pornography. It seems to me that Epstain arose along with the increase in internet problems, not vice versa. But I could be wrong.
 
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In the late 1980s I took a college course which focused on subliminal sexualization in print advertising ... it was a real eye-opener in what was "snuck in" seemingly innocuous images for, say, Smirnoff Vodka (as an example) ... we came to call it Penis Vodka and a common challenge was for us to find a printed magazine ad with hidden penises or hidden vaginas etc. and Smirnoff I think became to "go to" for your homework.

Back then it was "adult" images, but these days one can find plenty of kitty stuff. I'm not sure when the increase in child porn "blossomed" but it seems to me it was sometime in the late 1990s when UseNet became a hot spot for pornography. It seems to me that Epstain arose along with the increase in internet problems, not vice versa. But I could be wrong.

I think it's always been there. In th eUK we had Jimmy Saville. Very much like Epstein and best buddies with Charles Windsor, just like his brother Andrew they seem to keep company with wronguns. We also have evidence Maggie Thatcher covered up pedos in parliament. Not to mention the pedo statue above the old BBC building.

Subliminal messaging wise. There is a lot on Disney form Aladdin saying come on kids take off your clothes to the lion king where Simba lies down and the dust spells out sex. These aren't the only examples. Like the original poster for little mermaid had a penis for one of the castles towers. I'm not sure about advertising but I bet if we looked hard enough it would be there. Toys and children's programmes did seem more sexual from the 90sth-678049786.jpgth-491219271.jpgth-1828187937.jpg
 

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I'm in the UK and the last few years I've felt shame for it. But for some reason we seem to be leading the way in ending this perversion
Do you think all your gay comedians and musicians e.g. Boy George set the stage for the LGBT+ movement gaining excessive influence on society first?

I used to watch a huge amount of comedy. On Australian free channels (I didn't have subscription TV until late 90s), the earliest comedians and sitcoms I remember who had openly gay/ drag queen characters were all British.
Monty Python, Are you being served. You had the earliest talk shows with flamboyantly gay hosts like Julian Clary.
 

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Please read the whole article!
A few paragraphs down:
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On April 14, women’s rights group Save Women’s Sports Australasia, which opposes sex self-identification policies in sports, shared their support for Shepherd’s demonstration, attracting over 1,000 ‘likes’ from Twitter users around the world.
Just 24 hours after the tweet began to circulate widely, GPCNZ sent Shepherd an email outlining specifics of his eligibility. In what appears to have been a desperate scramble to prevent Shepherd from participating, the Global Powerlifting Committee had updated their website just after Shepherd submitted his application form, as evidenced by website archives.

In their 2023 Rulebook, the Global Powerlifting Committee of New Zealand (GPCNZ) recognizes self-declared gender identity. In a section of the guidelines titled “Transgender Athletes,” GPCNZ states that “gender is presented on a spectrum” and that the organization “respects the autonomy of the individual and how they identify.”
An archived version of the official website dated March 30 does not display the GPCNZ rules for trans-identifying competitors, instead leaning heavily on self-identification. But, after submitting his application and declaring himself a “woman” for the purposes of the competition, Shepherd was hastily sent an email and told he was not allowed to self-identify as transgender and must have been on estrogen for at least one year to compete....

... Shepherd is currently awaiting a response from the GPC, and fully intends to pursue competing as a female powerlifter in June. If he is allowed to proceed with his protest, he will be the second male powerlifter to put his strength towards demonstrating for fairness in sport.
 
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My memory is hazy, but it seems to me that in that class on subliminal advertising, we traced the "thematic" trends, which if I recall ran from bondage (1950s) --> group stuff (like wife swapping and orgies, 1960s) --> homosexuality (1970s) --> p***philia (1980s) ---> and we left off there because we had not yet calibrated our time machines for what would come in the future, but I suppose one could pin bestiality somewhere ("furries" and that ilk, that lady and her dog that was in the news, UseNet had its own "animal lovers" group in the 1990s), not sure what else The Evil One can think up, but anything's possible! OH, the "trans" crap (which is not new, that's as old as -- who was that dude who foretold Oedipus' fate? I forget, the ancient Greek of mythology who went from man-->woman and back again ... was that old Tiresius? I forget his name.) Anyway, just a note that all this hoo-haw is as old as Moses' toes ... and twice as corny, as the old joke goes. Anyway, 2020s would be the "tranny" decade. I seem to recall a recent article about Weimar Germany going similarly nuts right before Herr Snickersgerber sprang to power...we're in for a rough ride, methinks.
 

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I remember a time when if someone was a cross dresser they were seen as dangerous deviants.

Why is this normalised. Sickening to see.
It is a sickness of the society / culture which is why it is sickening to healthy, normal people.

It was not so long ago that TRANSVESTITES were considered PERVERTS, and vice versa. One had to cruise the seediest parts of town to find your deviance of choice--that's where the tranny's, homo's, and Chester de Molesters hung out (in dark alleys behind dirty book stores.)

If one was NOT sick, one could cruise down to the teatty bars and get a lewd eyeful next to the pinball joints and drug addicts.

Then came the demons of post-Modernity. And here we are, when any child can find the lewdest images with the click of a mouse. Find any drug on the "Dark Web"--aptly named, for that's where Spiders dwell.

Then you have the other side of the coin--like e-Sword, countless "safe harbors" for ennobling thoughts and study, and I would go on but I'm thirsty so I'll take a break.
 
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Do you think all your gay comedians and musicians e.g. Boy George set the stage for the LGBT+ movement gaining excessive influence on society first?

I used to watch a huge amount of comedy. On Australian free channels (I didn't have subscription TV until late 90s), the earliest comedians and sitcoms I remember who had openly gay/ drag queen characters were all British.
Monty Python, Are you being served. You had the earliest talk shows with flamboyantly gay hosts like Julian Clary.

We had flamboyant gays but if you look at the older gays they seem to be anti what's now. Paul o grady who recently died. He had a drag act called lily savage. But he came out not to long ago to say he hates ru Paul and drag race. He said it's not the same and ru Paul insults women. Other outwardly gay men from the 90s back have been very openly anti gender I'd.

We British have always been semi ok with gay and gay flamboyance. Just look at Kenneth Williams in the carry ons. We just had a rule you kept it in entertainment or private. We tend to have the same feeling about religion. I think that's why there is so much push back in the UK in regards to gender ideology. It's both a religion and something that expects people to play along. We British don't like that.

We are quite private people really. We like people to live their lives happy as long as it doesn't hurt others but we don't like things thrown in our face or told how to think. We don't mind the flamboyant gay as they have been pretty prominent in our theatre and entertainment industry from way before Shakespeare. So the flamboyant gay is pretty much embedded -well until recently- in our comedy.
 

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We had flamboyant gays but if you look at the older gays they seem to be anti what's now. Paul o grady who recently died. He had a drag act called lily savage. But he came out not to long ago to say he hates ru Paul and drag race. He said it's not the same and ru Paul insults women. Other outwardly gay men from the 90s back have been very openly anti gender I'd.

We British have always been semi ok with gay and gay flamboyance. Just look at Kenneth Williams in the carry ons. We just had a rule you kept it in entertainment or private. We tend to have the same feeling about religion. I think that's why there is so much push back in the UK in regards to gender ideology. It's both a religion and something that expects people to play along. We British don't like that.

We are quite private people really. We like people to live their lives happy as long as it doesn't hurt others but we don't like things thrown in our face or told how to think. We don't mind the flamboyant gay as they have been pretty prominent in our theatre and entertainment industry from way before Shakespeare. So the flamboyant gay is pretty much embedded -well until recently- in our comedy.
I think Australians/ New Zealanders are pretty much the same as the UK, live and let live. We tend to avoid conflict in general. We try to be tolerant of everyone because we are both very multi-cultural countries!

From the recent Posie Parker protestors though I am very worried that how some treated her - not only the transactivists- shows Australians are even more indoctrinated than I realised. Maybe some of it is convict colony mentality that is an extra factor. We appear to find it easier to follow the rules than other countries. Look at how well we accepted the COVID lockdowns after all.
 

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I am somewhat familiar with the connections between Woke ideology and Gnosticism and Hermeticism, having gleaned much from my own research into esoteric religions and Marxist theory, respectively, and finding more connectedness as time goes by.

Lindsay appears to be a compelling resource for exploring those connections more deeply. Thanks @JoChris
You will be interested in today's podcast @irrationalNinja! It is long as usual, so multi-tasking is recommended.

 

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what some "right wing influncers" , and possibly yourself, are refusing to understand is that other categories of "oppresion" such as being female or being non-white, are not wrong, nor are they chosen.
So you accept the victim pyramid as valid, and categorize women and non-whites as oppressed? Now your takes make sense.

Seeing the world through that oppression matrix is the definition of Woke. Lol

(Does this make me like one of your “right winger influencers?”)

Who are these “right winger influencers?” Random posts from some internet forum, or comment section, are hard to accept as “influencing” anything.

If i had directly said "racists" would i not get accused of being an "anti-racists (“White SupREEEEEEEmacy”)" kind of person?
No, racists are racist. It is conflating “right wingers” and racists/misogynists that makes you look like an anti-REEEEEcist kind of person.
 
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I think Australians/ New Zealanders are pretty much the same as the UK, live and let live. We tend to avoid conflict in general. We try to be tolerant of everyone because we are both very multi-cultural countries!

From the recent Posie Parker protestors though I am very worried that how some treated her - not only the transactivists- shows Australians are even more indoctrinated than I realised. Maybe some of it is convict colony mentality that is an extra factor. We appear to find it easier to follow the rules than other countries. Look at how well we accepted the COVID lockdowns after all.

Yeah there is a real issue with this trans cult mentality. Britain seems to be fighting back. Even out government is stepping in but seeing what happened to Posie in Australia and New Zealand was terrifying. But unfortunately these people have been sold the lie they are the progressives.
 

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So you accept the victim pyramid as valid, and categorize women and non-whites as oppressed? Now your takes make sense.

Seeing the world through that oppression matrix is the definition of Woke. Lol
No, as evident by the fact that i wrote the word "oppression" in quotes every time...
(And in my original post on the topic i also included the handicapped and the poor)

I wrote along the lines of IF the oppression olympics were valid, it still doesn't address the fact that these deviants and sodomites are CHOOSING their "oppression". They could just stop insisting on continuing their deviant behavior and go back to being normal, non-"oppressed" people... can't exactly stop being handicapped or a woman or minority.

You can feel free to label me "woke" though. Guess i'll be the worlds first homophobic, transphobic, been accused of being a woman hater, Christian woke person LOL

Who are these “right winger influencers?” Random posts from some internet forum, or comment section, are hard to accept as “influencing” anything.
People like matt walsh, andrew whatever his name is from daily stormer, the man formerly known as "heartiste" and other "manosphere" influencers, the gateway pundit, and the writers of assorted "alt" or conservative sites, among others. Other forums which obviously employ heavy moderation to steer other posters towards a form of group think, much like how they accuse the opposite "side" of behaving.

Given most people's need to have a sense of belonging, these videos, articles and posts absolutely do influence people. This is a goal of the elites, increasing division, polarization and radicalization of "both" sides. The mainstream "left" gets influenced by msm, the "right" gets influenced by their pick of alt/conservative news sites.

(Does this make me like one of your “right winger influencers?)
Well, i made the distinction early on that i wasn't accusing any random regular people with no platform of anything, but you still chose to defend them as if i were attacking you personally ... i'll let everyone draw their own conclusions.

No, racists are racist. It is conflating “right wingers” and racists/misogynists that makes you look like an anti-REEEEEcist kind of person.
The difference comes in what is considered to be "racism" and/or "misogyny".

If "racism" means lynching because of no motive but race, then 99.9% of people are not racist.

If "racism " means mocking black people's hair and discriminating in the workplace because of it, for example, our percentages now look different. Yet the "right" has called it woke to pass laws protecting their right to not be fired over their hair...

Same with "misogyny".
If it means actively trying to attack, r*pe, or kill women then most people are not "misogynists" (i hope...)

If it means seeing women as s*xual objects, condoning s*xual harrassment or objectification, and seeing consent as "woke", now we have a larger percentage. And as seen by the stories and tweets against that deviant dylan mulvaney, the "right" can't seem to stick to criticizing him, they have to criticize actual women's bodies in the process.
 
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"The Trans Delusion"

This is an excellent video, that's exactly what it is, a delusion.

I was lurking on a trans subreddit yesterday and i found a very hypocritical thread in which the trans demand to be affirmed and taken serious in their delusions, while insisting that other's delusions (such as catgender, or pupgender, apparently these are referred to as "xenogenders") are not valid. The level of cognitive dissonance these people have is truly mindblowing!

https://www.reddit.com/r/truscum/comments/12lyifp
 
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