With the world’s eyes on Afghanistan, how does the Taliban represent Islam?

[Cintra]

Sorry I didn't mean to

No probs.
We all get a bit stressed sometimes and conversations get weird.

 

[Maes17]

i think it’s harder for western democracies to play the “they’re oppressive” card now that we live under the most totalitarian system in world history, we’d have more freedom under vlad the impaler.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1427661229829545994

Mask
Social shutdowns
Proof of vax in some places.

Time to start a go fund me

 

[DavidSon]

Haha yours is the standard reply by anybody who can't answer an honest question..

He's right though. If you honestly care about the truth there are probably a dozen threads with posts explaining who conjured up the "War on Terror" as well as the terrorists themselves. Every lunatic terrorist cell going back to the Mujahadeen in the late 70's were trained by the US/UK/Israel. Why? To sow chaox, destabilization, and as always false flags which feed their infinite military budgets. Ever heard of Charlie Wilson's war? If you knew anything about al-Qaeda you'd understand they were expelled by the Taliban for being nutcases. I've only read the blog but this book is one of many sources explaining the reality:

https://www.booksamillion.com/p/Unmasking-Isis/Washingtons-Blog/9781615771646#overview

UNMASKING ISIS

Overview
ISIS started as rebels under the US occupation of Iraq. They grew by ravaging Libya and Syria. Their backers are Saudi Arabia and Turkey, and they fight as proxies for US neocons and allies. The motives are oil, gas, and empire-building. ISIS is a supercharged new brand of Al Qaeda, which like Gladio was founded by the US to fight Russia. The so-called founders and bogeymen of ISIS, Zarqawi and Baghdadi, were puppets invented by the CIA. ISIS is the latest offensive in a very long-term Anglo-Zionist "Divide and Conquer" project to balkanize and subjugate the Middle East, by fostering narrow sectarianism and infighting among its peoples. Britain installed the Saudi-Wahhabi monarchy over 200 years ago, which is the main source of funding for Islamic extremism, including ISIS. Turkey's dictator Erdogan runs ISIS for NATO; like the Saudis, he is an Islamic fundamentalist and a long-term ally of Israel. ISIS fighters were used to smash up and take over Qaddafi's Libya, then sent through Turkey to lay waste to Syria and Iraq. While pretending to fight ISIS, the US and its allies foster it and similar groups, leaving Russia to try on its own to quash the cancer threatening the entire region. However, the attacks in Paris, San Bernardino and Brussels are best explained as classic Gladio false flag operations, pinned on ISIS to foster the "Clash of Civilizations." The name ISIS is short for "Islamic State in Iraq and Syria," and it is also known as ISIL, Daesh and Al Qaeda in Iraq.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Why would Israel want to fund ISIS?

That’s a good question, especially when their original aspiration used to be for an “ISIL” (for “Levant”) I.e. “death to Israel” etc

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

A voice from Afghanistan.

 

[Just following orders]

Why on earth would Israel want to fund a jew-hating muslim terror group?
PS- I can still see my ISIS picture on my monitor, you'd better check your own monitor/forum display settings, here it is again-

Never heard of controlled opposition?

For one thing it’s a well known FACT that
Israel Secret Intelligence Service is funded by Israel. Of course you Know this though. You’re just pretending to be this uninformed.

like others have asked: give one good reason why they have not attacked their greatest enemies, Israel?

 

[Daze]

You're right, its not a good source. Truth is i can find 1000's of videos on youtube bashing Islam because its highly profitable. Some random guy saying whatever in front of a camera just isn't credible. Not when so many get rich off of attacking Islam. Look at all those who have literally started careers off of it. David Wood, Ergun Caner, Pamela Geller, I mean this list is looonnnggg. That guy in the video was probably well paid for his "testimony".

You can feel free to hate your neighbor. God willing you'll actually meet some Muslims (not hard as 1 in 4 humans are Muslim) and you'll change your tune.

Peace.

 

[Daze]

Jew hating? Isis never attacked Israel, except for once by accident, for which they apologized. They only attacked their enemies

I remember when that happened. Gave the word groveling a whole new meaning.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

.like others have asked: give one good reason why they have not attacked their greatest enemies, Israel?

Cowardice?

 

[Daze]

Cowardice?

Its because you don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Remember this infamous picture CNN broadcasted? "ISIS" with star of David tattoos.



But this is perfectly normal, "Muslims" with Jewish tat's.

 

[Awoken2]

Just in reference to the OP title.

The eyes of the world isn't on Afghanistan at all, it's the media's eyes, which have been conveniently averted for the past 20 years. But now there is a bad guys in turbans narrative to push it's front page news.

The media were looking the other way during years of drone strikes, war crimes and other general atrocities killing thousands of innocent people.

The zionist media just loves the bad guys in turbans storyline. Been pushing it down your throats since 9/11.

 

[Tidal]

..give one good reason why they [ISIS] have not attacked their greatest enemies, Israel?

Because ISIS activities have largely concentrated on Iraq and Syria, and nowadays it seems they've shot their bolt; the ISIS-controlled areas have shrunk to the dark red patches on this map.
Trump said "ISIS are defeated" and he's probably right..

 

[Just following orders]

Because ISIS activities have largely concentrated on Iraq and Syria, and nowadays it seems they've shot their bolt; the ISIS-controlled areas have shrunk to the dark red patches on this map.
Trump said "ISIS are defeated" and he's probably right..

 

[Tidal]

Churchill said- "In war, one has neither friends nor enemies, only interests"
So why is it allegedly in Israel's interest to back ISIS?
Anybody care to try to answer with just 2 or 3 sentences?

 

[Daze]

Churchill said- "In war, one has neither friends nor enemies, only interests"
So why is it allegedly in Israel's interest to back ISIS?
Anybody care to try to answer with just 2 or 3 sentences?

Its because Israel was colonizing a piece of land surrounded by its enemies. The only way they could fulfill their Yinon project was to turn their enemies against one another. Breaking up the nations surrounding them has always been the plan.

To this day they are still vastly outnumbered. Protected by the US, Britain and their own stock pile of nukes. If their enemies were to focus on them they wouldn't last a week.

This is pax Judaica and thier time is running out.

 

[justjess]

Well that makes two of you who can't answer my simple question as to why Israel would want to fund ISIS..

To make their Muslim “enemies” look bad and put a target on their head DUHHHH

spur a war between America and thecountries they’d like to take out but can’t or won’t and get to keep their hands clean

you lack imagination

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

If their enemies were to focus on them they wouldn't last a week.

This is pax Judaica and thier time is running out.

Similar sentiments are expressed by the forces gathered together in Ezekiel 38. Interesting times indeed!

Nations taking their places for Ezekiel 38 / Psalm 83 / Isaiah 17 / Jeremiah 49

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2038-39&version=NKJV https://www.oxfordbiblechurch.co.uk/index.php/books/the-imminent-invasion-of-israel/537-appendix-1-the-identification-of-the-nations-of-ezekiel-38

vigilantcitizenforums.com

 

[Awoken2]

To make their Muslim “enemies” look bad and put a target on their head DUHHHH

spur a war between America and thecountries they’d like to take out but can’t or won’t and get to keep their hands clean

you lack imagination

You just know he's now gonna hit you with his bestest Dick Van Dyke Mary Poppins in the cockpit meme......just for your sheer insolence.

....get ready

 

[pescatarian09]

Does the Afghanistan debacle end the US War on Terror?

America didn’t just lose a war in Afghanistan, it may have also lost its premise for being the global policeman.

As the Taliban triumphantly walked into Kabul without firing a shot, it didn't just mark the end of the US-backed Afghan President Ashraf Ghani, who fled the country reportedly with suitcases packed with cash.

It also sounded the death knell of the grand US project to fight a 'War on Terrorism' which aimed to end the "Taliban's reign of terror" in Afghanistan and that of other like-minded groups internationally.

The so-called US "War on Terror" (WoT) spawned an attempt by Washington to export liberal democracy around the world through invasion and 'pre-emptive attacks'.

An ecosystem of think tanks emerged that viewed Muslims with suspicion creating an "Islamophobia industry," which increasingly portrayed Islam as a security threat in need of management and reform. And laws were enacted that eroded the freedoms of citizens across the globe, including the US and the UK, two chief architects of such legislation.

Following the 9/11 attacks in the US and subsequent toppling of the Taliban in Afghanistan - American attention shifted to other foes in the Middle East.

Yet even as its occupation in Iraq floundered, the Libya intervention soured, and drone strikes in Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan, Syria and the Sahel region in Africa failed to achieve long term measurable outcomes and civilian deaths mounted, Afghanistan continued to underpin the original rationale for America's global WoT campaign.

The US' WoT was "flawed" from its inception, said Arif Rafiq, a scholar at the Middle East Institutes speaking to TRT World. The WoT narrative was a catch-all term to describe "networks that are transnational but ultimately rooted in local realities."

The routing of Afghan national forces in a matter of days and the local deals it struck reflected the resilience of the Taliban in a society that it ultimately understood better than the US and NATO forces.

In a recent essay, "What about the boys: A gendered analysis of the US withdrawal and Bacha Bazi in Afghanistan," the authors spoke about the Taliban's opposition against the sexual abuse of young boys as a "key factor" in the rise of the group.

Whereas the "predatory and abusive nature" of some US-backed forces towards young Afghan boys and "the lack of concern on behalf of the US military" undermined Washington's occupation of the country.

Such stories offer an insight into how an inability and unwillingness to understand local dynamics resulted in the Taliban coming back to power and the futility of a concept like the WoT.

Rafiq, however, is not optimistic that the WoT has been all together scrapped. Instead, it has been "rebranded" with covert and special operations forces leading the charge, "but the era of large-scale occupations is over," he says

Unwinding the ideological narratives that provided the steam for the WoT will prove difficult, even as the US' global standing is diminished amid a chaotic retreat from Afghanistan.


The ghosts of the mujahideen

Far removed from Afghanistan but against that backdrop, the WoT had a "devastating and lasting impact on the discourse towards Muslims," says Farid Hafez, an Austrian academic focusing on the rise of Islamophobia in Europe.

"It has created the idea that Muslims are a threat to national and global security," added Hafez, speaking to TRT World.

Counterinsurgency tactics that were finessed in Afghanistan and Iraq have been described as "liberal forms of warfare" were imported and used domestically in countries like the UK and US towards the country's native Muslim population.

A liberal form of counterinsurgency warfare is characterised as the use of "law, administration, and procedure intended to facilitate the conquest and management of intransigent populations."

The UK's domestic WoT included blanket surveillance of Muslim and state-led targeted propaganda, which blurred the lines between civilians and enemy combatants.

An inability to distinguish who the Taliban were in the civilian population in Afghanistan led policymakers in the UK to conclude that Muslims back home were also potential security threats until proven otherwise.

In his groundbreaking documentary Bitter Lake, Adam Curtis tracked the Afghan war and the impact it has had on the West.

"Afghanistan has revealed to us the emptiness and hypocrisy of many of our beliefs," said Curtis, adding that the US and the UK were "haunted by the mujahideen ghosts."

Those ghosts resulted in "Western democracies slowly destroying their very own cherished values," says Moazzam Begg, a former Guantanamo Bay detainee who was kidnapped and tortured by US forces in Afghanistan and held without charge for three years until his release in 2005.

Now an Outreach Director at CAGE, a British based human rights group, Begg says that the two-decade-long occupation of Afghanistan and the WoT "will be read in the history books as one of the biggest failures in the western world."

Guantanamo Bay, a living relic of the WoT, remains active and holds 39 people without charge, whereas 9 have died in custody. The vast majority of the 780 prisoners that have been through Guantanamo Bay were tortured by US officials, although no US official to this day has been charged.

"The abuses in secret CIA sites in Kandahar, Bagram and Guantanamo prisons were all part of the ‘shock and awe’ designed not just to terrify the prisoners but to send a message about US supremacy and military might to the Muslim world," says Begg speaking to TRT World.

In an ironic twist, one of the Taliban commanders to give a victory speech in the presidential palace in Kabul vacated by the now-former President Ghani claims to have been a prisoner in Guantanamo Bay for eight years, and had been released as part of the negotiations with the Americans.
That the US occupation of Afghanistan would end in such a way is a noteworthy turning point in the WoT, if not its ultimate end.

But the ultimate legacy of the WoT, says Arif Rafiq, "is the destruction of numerous Muslim-majority countries, the loss of countless Muslim lives, and the radicalisation of European politics."

Source: TRT World

 

[LifeisaPsyop]

Does the Afghanistan debacle end the US War on Terror?

America didn’t just lose a war in Afghanistan, it may have also lost its premise for being the global policeman.

As the Taliban triumphantly walked into Kabul without firing a shot, it didn't just mark the end of the US-backed Afghan President Ashraf Ghani, who fled the country reportedly with suitcases packed with cash.

It also sounded the death knell of the grand US project to fight a 'War on Terrorism' which aimed to end the "Taliban's reign of terror" in Afghanistan and that of other like-minded groups internationally.

The so-called US "War on Terror" (WoT) spawned an attempt by Washington to export liberal democracy around the world through invasion and 'pre-emptive attacks'.

An ecosystem of think tanks emerged that viewed Muslims with suspicion creating an "Islamophobia industry," which increasingly portrayed Islam as a security threat in need of management and reform. And laws were enacted that eroded the freedoms of citizens across the globe, including the US and the UK, two chief architects of such legislation.

Following the 9/11 attacks in the US and subsequent toppling of the Taliban in Afghanistan - American attention shifted to other foes in the Middle East.

Yet even as its occupation in Iraq floundered, the Libya intervention soured, and drone strikes in Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan, Syria and the Sahel region in Africa failed to achieve long term measurable outcomes and civilian deaths mounted, Afghanistan continued to underpin the original rationale for America's global WoT campaign.

The US' WoT was "flawed" from its inception, said Arif Rafiq, a scholar at the Middle East Institutes speaking to TRT World. The WoT narrative was a catch-all term to describe "networks that are transnational but ultimately rooted in local realities."

The routing of Afghan national forces in a matter of days and the local deals it struck reflected the resilience of the Taliban in a society that it ultimately understood better than the US and NATO forces.

In a recent essay, "What about the boys: A gendered analysis of the US withdrawal and Bacha Bazi in Afghanistan," the authors spoke about the Taliban's opposition against the sexual abuse of young boys as a "key factor" in the rise of the group.

Whereas the "predatory and abusive nature" of some US-backed forces towards young Afghan boys and "the lack of concern on behalf of the US military" undermined Washington's occupation of the country.

Such stories offer an insight into how an inability and unwillingness to understand local dynamics resulted in the Taliban coming back to power and the futility of a concept like the WoT.

Rafiq, however, is not optimistic that the WoT has been all together scrapped. Instead, it has been "rebranded" with covert and special operations forces leading the charge, "but the era of large-scale occupations is over," he says

Unwinding the ideological narratives that provided the steam for the WoT will prove difficult, even as the US' global standing is diminished amid a chaotic retreat from Afghanistan.


The ghosts of the mujahideen

Far removed from Afghanistan but against that backdrop, the WoT had a "devastating and lasting impact on the discourse towards Muslims," says Farid Hafez, an Austrian academic focusing on the rise of Islamophobia in Europe.

"It has created the idea that Muslims are a threat to national and global security," added Hafez, speaking to TRT World.

Counterinsurgency tactics that were finessed in Afghanistan and Iraq have been described as "liberal forms of warfare" were imported and used domestically in countries like the UK and US towards the country's native Muslim population.

A liberal form of counterinsurgency warfare is characterised as the use of "law, administration, and procedure intended to facilitate the conquest and management of intransigent populations."

The UK's domestic WoT included blanket surveillance of Muslim and state-led targeted propaganda, which blurred the lines between civilians and enemy combatants.

An inability to distinguish who the Taliban were in the civilian population in Afghanistan led policymakers in the UK to conclude that Muslims back home were also potential security threats until proven otherwise.

In his groundbreaking documentary Bitter Lake, Adam Curtis tracked the Afghan war and the impact it has had on the West.

"Afghanistan has revealed to us the emptiness and hypocrisy of many of our beliefs," said Curtis, adding that the US and the UK were "haunted by the mujahideen ghosts."

Those ghosts resulted in "Western democracies slowly destroying their very own cherished values," says Moazzam Begg, a former Guantanamo Bay detainee who was kidnapped and tortured by US forces in Afghanistan and held without charge for three years until his release in 2005.

Now an Outreach Director at CAGE, a British based human rights group, Begg says that the two-decade-long occupation of Afghanistan and the WoT "will be read in the history books as one of the biggest failures in the western world."

Guantanamo Bay, a living relic of the WoT, remains active and holds 39 people without charge, whereas 9 have died in custody. The vast majority of the 780 prisoners that have been through Guantanamo Bay were tortured by US officials, although no US official to this day has been charged.

"The abuses in secret CIA sites in Kandahar, Bagram and Guantanamo prisons were all part of the ‘shock and awe’ designed not just to terrify the prisoners but to send a message about US supremacy and military might to the Muslim world," says Begg speaking to TRT World.

In an ironic twist, one of the Taliban commanders to give a victory speech in the presidential palace in Kabul vacated by the now-former President Ghani claims to have been a prisoner in Guantanamo Bay for eight years, and had been released as part of the negotiations with the Americans.
That the US occupation of Afghanistan would end in such a way is a noteworthy turning point in the WoT, if not its ultimate end.

But the ultimate legacy of the WoT, says Arif Rafiq, "is the destruction of numerous Muslim-majority countries, the loss of countless Muslim lives, and the radicalisation of European politics."

Source: TRT World

Red actually said this earlier. This in the middle east is building towards something I'm sure you would agree war is brewing against Israel?