This morning Donald Trump finally admitted to "Russia helping [him] to get elected"

[Z. T. Jacob]

"Russia, Russia, Russia! That’s all you heard at the beginning of this Witch Hunt Hoax...And now Russia has disappeared because I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected. It was a crime that didn’t exist. So now the Dems and their partner, the Fake News Media,....."
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 30, 2019

Is it the final nail in the coffin?

 

[Z. T. Jacob]

No lol

People will just say he chose his words stupidly or misspoke or whatever. Cognitive dissonance is a strong force.

He walked back the comment later on and that’s all they will see. Forget the rules of psychology and nlp etc

Yeah. It sucks how many people have been brainwashed into believing Trump is The Savior of America.

Imagine if Obama [ fyi I was not a fan of him] had said that. Republicans would be racing to impeach him. But dems won't because the mainstream establishment Democrats have nothing to offer but beating Trump in 2020, and with him gone they would have no way of getting votes.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

Hillary Clinton was a terrible candidate but that doesn’t change Russia’s efforts to get Trump elected. The drip drip drip of the hacked DNC emails did exactly what it was intended to do, anger Sanders’ supporters causing them to vote third party, not vote or for a few vote for Mango Mussolini. Remember this election was decided by 70k votes across three states. It was a perfect storm of events that favored Trump ( Comey re-opening the investigation less than 2wks from Election Day ). Everything worked so perfectly that I am convinced the plan all along was to elect this dictator-in-waiting.

National polling was correct btw, it’s why HRC won the popular vote, it just didn’t foresee those three states.

As to your question? I doubt this will bring him down but the House should begin impeachment hearings immediately and let all this be presented to the public. I’m not convinced that the mainstream democrats actually want him gone though.

Even if he is removed we still have a huge Mike “God told me I’d be President” Pence problem.

 

[justjess]

I don’t think we should start impeachment - even though we’d be entirely justified - it won’t do anything but cause further division and push people who are breaking from trump closer to him and the Republican Party in general.

 

[Thunderian]

Hillary Clinton was a terrible candidate

You should have stopped there.

The Russian collusion thing was decided on by the Clinton machine the night she lost. It was BS then and it's BS now.

 

[Corvus Metus]

You should have stopped there.

The Russian collusion thing was decided on by the Clinton machine the night she lost. It was BS then and it's BS now.

Almost every intelligence agency in the world said that the Russians tried to influence the outcome of the election and given how America has done the same repeatedly over the years. it's awfully nieve to think that Russia just sat on its ass and didn't do anything to try and get the candidate that would benefit them the most into office. Collusion? Maybe not. Influencing the vote? Totally.

 

[Lisa]

Almost every intelligence agency in the world said that the Russians tried to influence the outcome of the election and given how America has done the same repeatedly over the years. it's awfully nieve to think that Russia just sat on its ass and didn't do anything to try and get the candidate that would benefit them the most into office. Collusion? Maybe not. Influencing the vote? Totally.

How has trump winning benefited Russia?

 

[Corvus Metus]

How has trump winning benefited Russia?

He hasn't done much but wag his finger at Russia's blatant attempts to take Ukraine. Not that Hillary would have done much more, but she'd certainly have been a lot louder. He's also a lot easier to control and influence since all you need to do is stroke his ego a bit and he turns off his brain. He's a net gain for any despot.

 

[Lisa]

He hasn't done much but wag his finger at Russia's blatant attempts to take Ukraine. Not that Hillary would have done much more, but she'd certainly have been a lot louder. He's also a lot easier to control and influence since all you need to do is stroke his ego a bit and he turns off his brain. He's a net gain for any despot.

That doesn’t make sense...you said that Russia would get the candidate that benefited them most into office. Doesn’t seem like he’s actually doing anything to benefit them. Its not like he’s overly friendly with them. Or even giving them money. So, what benefit did they get for “getting him elected?”

 

[justjess]

https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/01/17/house-rebukes-trump-russia-sanctions-1108939

https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/05/06/democrats-trump-russia-sanctions-1306340

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/27/opinion/mueller-trump-russia-quid-pro-quo.html

 

[Corvus Metus]

That doesn’t make sense...you said that Russia would get the candidate that benefited them most into office. Doesn’t seem like he’s actually doing anything to benefit them. Its not like he’s overly friendly with them. Or even giving them money. So, what benefit did they get for “getting him elected?”

He's staying out of their affairs, allowing them to do shitty things, and as justjess posted saving me the trouble... He delays sanctioning as much as he can. Don't get me wrong; Russia also wanted Sanders to be in over Hillary since while he'd likely set sanctions, he'd be more concerned fixing this country than interfering... Hillary would have openly interfered.

 

[Lisa]

He's staying out of their affairs, allowing them to do shitty things, and as justjess posted saving me the trouble... He delays sanctioning as much as he can. Don't get me wrong; Russia also wanted Sanders to be in over Hillary since while he'd likely set sanctions, he'd be more concerned fixing this country than interfering... Hillary would have openly interfered.

Lol, I didn’t realize that he could stop them if he wanted.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

You should have stopped there.

The Russian collusion thing was decided on by the Clinton machine the night she lost. It was BS then and it's BS now.

Whether you admit it or not the Russians helped Trump win, it wasn’t the only reason he did but it did help. The true extent will never be known. This is ignoring the fact that the only reason he is a President and conservatives have any political power is because the US is minority rule. ( electoral college, equal representation in the senate)

 

[Colonel Valerio]

I don’t think we should start impeachment - even though we’d be entirely justified - it won’t do anything but cause further division and push people who are breaking from trump closer to him and the Republican Party in general.

Nixon was at 68% approval rating when impeachment proceedings began, he resigned at 38%-where Trump is now. He is going to play the victim whether they hold hearings or not but clear crimes have been committed that demand hearings. We need to go after his financials hard I’m sure that will uncover a ton of crimes.

 

[polymoog]

You should have stopped there.

The Russian collusion thing was decided on by the Clinton machine the night she lost. It was BS then and it's BS now.

i remember laughing hard about that ridiculous accusation-- much the same as the early days of when political correctness was a great source of material for comedians before the nonsense was repeated so many times that it stuck for many people. hillary used the russian collusion witchhunt as part of her " hashtag resist" efforts against the trump administration and as a distraction to keep her from her from being prosecuted for her laundry list of criminal activity.
yes, she (the clinton crime family) has that much clout and power in D.C. (btw, if anyone does the research, youll see that bill clinton and george bush sr. were very close.)

 

[polymoog]

He's staying out of their affairs, allowing them to do shitty things, and as justjess posted saving me the trouble... He delays sanctioning as much as he can. Don't get me wrong; Russia also wanted Sanders to be in over Hillary since while he'd likely set sanctions, he'd be more concerned fixing this country than interfering... Hillary would have openly interfered.

and why in the world does the US have to get involved in foreign affairs? its not americas business.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

and why in the world does the US have to get involved in foreign affairs? its not americas business.

I don’t actually blame Russia for helping Trump, the belligerence towards a nuclear power is insanity. We are ringing them with missle bases and they are right to feel threatened. Diplomacy is always best. Although I never bought it, rhetorically speaking, in some areas Trump’s foreign policy was a little better than HRC’s.

That doesn’t make Putin any less of a tyrant or change the fact that they did help him to win.

 

[polymoog]

Almost every intelligence agency in the world said that the Russians tried to influence the outcome of the election and given how America has done the same repeatedly over the years. it's awfully nieve to think that Russia just sat on its ass and didn't do anything to try and get the candidate that would benefit them the most into office. Collusion? Maybe not. Influencing the vote? Totally.

so.... it was russia making all of those anti-hillary memes on social media? it was russian intelligence attending all of those huge trump rallies? russians created those "hillary for prison" shirts? all of those conservative voices that were kicked off of FB and twitter and YT were russian agents?
i guess thats the root cause of why conservatives are booted off social media these days: future russian interference.

now that the russians got their man in-- trump-- they can... trade with the US. the supersecret operation was a success!

 

[Corvus Metus]

and why in the world does the US have to get involved in foreign affairs? its not americas business.

I won't argue that. At all. I'm simply saying that Hillary Clinton would have likely imposed harsh sanctions and quicker so it would have been more productive for them to have Trump or Sanders in office. The later would impose sanctions, but that would pretty much be the end of it. The former can be easily played since he's got a huge ego. Clinton is a warhawk and a career politician.

I'm not saying this as a positive, mind you. About the only good thing of the Trump presidency it that his ego is easily played and can prevent nuclear war.

so.... it was russia making all of those anti-hillary memes on social media? it was russian intelligence attending all of those huge trump rallies? russians created those "hillary for prison" shirts? all of those conservative voices that were kicked off of FB and twitter and YT were russian agents?
i guess thats the root cause of why conservatives are booted off social media these days: future russian interference.

now that the russians got their man in-- trump-- they can... trade with the US. the supersecret operation was a success!

Not exclusively, no. I never said or implied it was. But once it became clear it was going to be Trump vs. Clinton, you've got a poor understanding of how hostile governments play each other in the post-nuclear era if you don't think they didn't stoke the flames. The CIA does the same world over, too. That's how we fight wars these days; we influence elections, orchestrate coups, and spread propaganda.

 

[Thunderian]

Whether you admit it or not the Russians helped Trump win, it wasn’t the only reason he did but it did help. The true extent will never be known. This is ignoring the fact that the only reason he is a President and conservatives have any political power is because the US is minority rule. ( electoral college, equal representation in the senate)

Yes, and you and the others can keep saying this as long as you want, but the reason he won is because people voted for him. And the reason they voted for him is because he cuts through all the bullshit and addresses the issues people want to hear their leaders address.

Do you really think trans-friendly bathrooms are going to help Americans get jobs? Neither does anyone else. Is flooding America with illegal immigrants really good for anything but sucking up welfare benefits, causing more crime, and driving wages down? No, and it's time someone said it. Is Islamic terror a threat to Western civilization? Yes, and trust me when I tell you that we are sick of hearing that the things that are obviously hurting America, and by extension, America's friends (the few that are left) are actually GOOD for us. Trump said what we were all thinking, and that's why he got elected.

You only have to look at what's happening in Europe to see that it's not just America that's rejecting global progressivism. Stop blaming the Russians for the failure of the liberal agenda to resonate with the plain and simple folks who voted for real hope and change.