How many of you go to church? What's your church like?

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I guess this may be a bit nosey, but I'm curious what kind of worship gatherings y'alls get up to. :)

The family and I attend a very small independent Baptist church, but I don't identify with any congregation, and I doubt many would identify with me, lol. We like the fellowship there, and Junior has good friends that attend, but I find the sermons boring, and I am tired of singing hymns with only a half dozen others. I want to shout Amen! and sing as loud as I can. I could do that, I suppose, but it would be kind of disruptive.

I realize I am very blessed to be able to go to any kind of church at all, but I don't feel particularly fed there, and I'm wondering who here loves their church, and why. Also, which Christians here don't go to church at all, and why.
 

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I guess this may be a bit nosey, but I'm curious what kind of worship gatherings y'alls get up to. :)

The family and I attend a very small independent Baptist church, but I don't identify with any congregation, and I doubt many would identify with me, lol. We like the fellowship there, and Junior has good friends that attend, but I find the sermons boring, and I am tired of singing hymns with only a half dozen others. I want to shout Amen! and sing as loud as I can. I could do that, I suppose, but it would be kind of disruptive.

I realize I am very blessed to be able to go to any kind of church at all, but I don't feel particularly fed there, and I'm wondering who here loves their church, and why. Also, which Christians here don't go to church at all, and why.
I am pretty much in the same boat as you.
The preaching is very basic. Thank God for the Internet.
 

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I go to Hillsong Church cuz my family go there. My family is Pentecostal and before a couple years ago, Hillsong was Pentecostal but they left the denomination and become Charismatic.

I personally hold some Pentecostal doctrine since I was raised in this denom and later on I hold some Reformed Baptist/Calvinist doctrine.
I learn and study bible from Spurgeon, John Piper, and Paul Washer.
 

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I go to Hillsong Church cuz my family go there. My family is Pentecostal and before a couple years ago, Hillsong was Pentecostal but they left the denomination and become Charismatic.

I personally hold some Pentecostal doctrine since I was raised in this denom and later on I hold some Reformed Baptist/Calvinist doctrine.
I learn and study bible from Spurgeon, John Piper, and Paul Washer.
I don't know how anyone interested in reformed theology could stand going to Hillsong!
 

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You know this already, but for the benefit of those who don't...

I've left the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and Hebrew Roots and am now in a reformed Presbyterian church. I'm not a Calvinist b/c of the L in the TULIP which stands for limited atonement. I believe Jesus died for all, not just for the elect b/c that is Scriptural. Not all will accept Him, but that's another point that's been belabored that's not to be addressed here.

I still have ties with PRMI (Presbyterian Reformed Ministries International) which is a group of reformed Presbyterians who believe in the gifts of the Spirit, including speaking in tongues. As far as those interested in the charismatic, they are the most Biblically based of any charismatic church or group I've been involved with, so I do value the opinion of the senior leaders there, one of which is a woman.

At the church I go to, we sing nothing but hymns and I love that about it. Also the teaching is Biblical and on point. Most members and attendants there are intellectual and going there does appeal to my intellect more than my feelings, which is good. My main issue with the charismatic is that it focuses too much on being a God chaser, as being someone who needs their next hit of some grandiose spiritual experience. It's like the adrenaline junkies of the Christian faith, in my opinion. I was one of them once and it's idolatry by totally making a god of feelings and experiences, some of which I'm sure were faked and/or exaggerated.
 

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Hillsong was Pentecostal but they left the denomination and become Charismatic
I always assumed Pentecostal and charismatic were about the same thing, but I never dug too deep into it. What are the differences between the two?
 

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I don't know how anyone interested in reformed theology could stand going to Hillsong!
Lol cuz Hillsong does not teach any specific doctrine. They are now non-denom. Their sermons are just, oof how to say this, normal teaching and uh watered down? Just sermons like how to maximise your life and how to be empowered which I think there is nothing unbiblical about it. So I have nothing to disagree. Their sermons usually generally acceptable for all Christians, if they’re not too fussy.

So far though I haven’t seen or read Hillsong doing something like Bethel. But I might not be the best person to tell cuz even though I go to Hillsong, it’s usually just once a month.
 

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Lol cuz Hillsong does not teach any specific doctrine. They are now non-denom. Their sermons are just, oof how to say this, normal teaching and uh watered down? Just sermons like how to maximise your life and how to be empowered which I think there is nothing unbiblical about it. So I have nothing to disagree. Their sermons usually generally acceptable for all Christians, if they’re not too fussy.

So far though I haven’t seen or read Hillsong doing something like Bethel. But I might not the best person to tell cuz even though I go to Hillsong, it’s usually just once a month.
They're on the same page as Bethel so be careful. And there was some scandal about one of their leaders being a p***phile.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sex-abuse-and-gay-conversion-therapy-the-dark-past-of-justin-biebers-megachurch-hillsong

Glad you are listening to more reformed teachers. Get as much Word in you as possible. Daily study of the Word is crucial.
 

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I always assumed Pentecostal and charismatic were about the same thing, but I never dug too deep into it. What are the differences between the two?
Charismatic is the broader view of a certain classic denom. There are other charismatic in Presbyterian, for example.

Pentecostal is pretty much share the same doctrine as other denom like Trinity, water baptism, salvation through Jesus Christ and whatnot. But they also believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Speaking in tongues is one of them like in the Scriptures.
 

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They're on the same page as Bethel so be careful. And there was some scandal about one of their leaders being a p***phile.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sex-abuse-and-gay-conversion-therapy-the-dark-past-of-justin-biebers-megachurch-hillsong

Glad you are listening to more reformed teachers. Get as much Word in you as possible. Daily study of the Word is crucial.

You know what...yes I actually heard of this, if you know Fiona Bernet, she talked about kids kidnapped and sacrificed when Hillsong was first established. So I was like O_O IS THIS FOR REAL and well it could be false tbh but that the father of Brian houston was a p***phile is well known fact here. Also, I wonder why Hillsong United music wants to collaborate with Bethel music? My other question, why Hillsong college removed homosexuality from their student handbook?

I actually already talked about this to my mom and my sister, my mom is kinda refused to believe just like she refused to believe about other sketchy preachers.
So when there is a news or rumour about Hillsong she just said “The tallest tree always experiences the strongest winds”.
Old people always like this I guess...
 

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Lol cuz Hillsong does not teach any specific doctrine. They are now non-denom. Their sermons are just, oof how to say this, normal teaching and uh watered down? Just sermons like how to maximise your life and how to be empowered which I think there is nothing unbiblical about it. So I have nothing to disagree. Their sermons usually generally acceptable for all Christians, if they’re not too fussy.

So far though I haven’t seen or read Hillsong doing something like Bethel. But I might not be the best person to tell cuz even though I go to Hillsong, it’s usually just once a month.
Hillsong's history is quite murky. https://churchwatchcentral.com/category/hillsong/

Yes everyone sins, including church leaders. However the bible has clear high standards for church leaders that have failed terribly. Two famous occasions of poor judgement https://churchwatchcentral.com/2016/05/27/if-youre-sexy-and-a-pastor-play-the-cowboy/
http://www.piratechristian.com/museum-of-idolatry/2015/12/hillsongs-sleazy-silent-night

Nothing has been done to address weaknesses like Naked Cowboy episode , all they do is word game and distract and accuse critics of being judgemental Pharisees.

The issue the secular news has covered over the years is Brian Houston covering up his father Frank Houston's p***philia (actual founder of Hillsong). A major conflict of interest there, and Brian Houston decided to protect the Hillsong brand instead of seeking justice for his father's victims.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/19/sex-abuse-victim-pursues-hillsongs-brian-houston-over-crimes-of-his-father

Royal Commission report. https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-studies/case-study-18-australian-christian-churches
Many have said they were too soft on Houston. He still was proved he was guilty of conflict of interest, in theory a jailable offence. Maybe if he was less famous the book would have been thrown at him.
 
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I go to Every Nation Church, we are a mix between the charismatic and more reserved churches. Our main focus is to make Disciples and raise leaders to plant more churches - Honoring God and advance His kingdom. We have a band and we have a mix of people raising their hands and those that do not. It's like a family, we are allowed to approach leadership and raise concerns should there be any - thus we never follow a man or specific preacher but Jesus's teaching in the Bible. We do not disgard parts of the Bible but the preaching is on uncomfortable topics as well - those that can offend people when they are in the wrong place in their hearts - always speaking the truth in love. It's not about how you feel in church but about who you worship - an audience of one - God.
 

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Hillsong's history is quite murky. https://churchwatchcentral.com/category/hillsong/

Yes everyone sins, including church leaders. However the bible has clear high standards for church leaders that have failed terribly. Two famous occasions of poor judgement https://churchwatchcentral.com/2016/05/27/if-youre-sexy-and-a-pastor-play-the-cowboy/
http://www.piratechristian.com/museum-of-idolatry/2015/12/hillsongs-sleazy-silent-night

Nothing has been done to address weaknesses like Naked Cowboy episode , all they do is word game and distract and accuse critics of being judgemental Pharisees.

The issue the secular news has covered over the years is Brian Houston covering up his father Frank Houston's p***philia (actual founder of Hillsong). A major conflict of interest there, and Brian Houston decided to protect the Hillsong brand instead of seeking justice for his father's victims.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/19/sex-abuse-victim-pursues-hillsongs-brian-houston-over-crimes-of-his-father

Royal Commission report. https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-studies/case-study-18-australian-christian-churches
Many have said they were too soft on Houston. He still was proved he was guilty of conflict of interest, in theory a jailable offence. Maybe if he was less famous the book would have been thrown at him.
Yup I already knew about all of this. But my problem is my fam especially my mom cuz Hillsong is her church for the past maybe nearly 20 years or something. She used to attend a Baptist church but she didn’t like it.

I want a church with sound doctrine. But it’s not easy to find!

Also, you are right about Brian Houston, I think Hillsong churchgoers and many Christians defended and pardoned his actions just because.
 
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I don't , but i would like to. Im from small country town, there are only two churches, baptist and lutherans. I do not believe in sacraments, and they don't study bible, so there is nothing of value in there for me. In big city not that far from me i could find modern bible studying community. I don't know whats stopping me, and why i procrastinate. Different reasons every time, waiting until God kicks me in the ass i suppose. Im worse than jews in Moses time :oops:.
 
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I am Bob the Baptist, precursor of the Second Coming of Christ, and I have only been to one church service in my entire adult life, and it was directly related to The Ouzo Prophecy, Procter & Gamble's iconic moon-and-stars logo, and an illegal conspiracy to investigate me by P&G and the FBI. Background material can be found in The Ouzo Papers at archive.org, but I'll be more than happy to discuss the mystical event in detail.
 
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So I was raised in a Vineyard Church, which is essentially a massive Non Dem, close to Evangelical/Charismatic. When I first started going in the 80's with my mother it wasnt huge, but in the 90's-2000's it exploded and became what everyone would call a Mega Church. I dont know too much about how it functioned in the 80s I was too young but in the 90's-2k it definitely was on what I would now call watered down nonsense, with a massive focus on Self and supposed healings ect.

I moved from one part of my State to another and just ended up going to another Vineyard because that was what I was comfortable with. However as I began attending more, and also since I was older and had studied the Bible independently for years at that point, I began to feel uncomfortable with how everything was ran there. To be honest I enjoyed the singing but as soon as the "preacher" got up I felt nothing. These "sermons" were nothing more than feel good self help topics, feeling more like a teaching you can buy off the internet, generic, with an outline. It honestly was boring and not too helpful in confronting my Sins, or becoming a better Christian or knowing Christ more intimately.

Then they started bringing in "preachers" from out of state and they brought one that was straight up TV Evanglistic supposed healing stuff. Just like you see on TV, bring the people you have in your life that are sick, we will heal them, bunch of pomp and circumstance. I brought my mother in law, my mom and my grandmother with me, because of course I would love to see the people in my life who are sick healed. Of course nothing really happened because I dont believe God operates in that manner in those venues.

A few months after that they brought someone from Bethel Church out in Redding California. I dont know if anyone has researched them but they are just complete trash, so unbiblical and outright Demonic, and I remember the day that that "preacher" came to the Church. He seemed like a nice guy and all, and he was very Charismatic, and I remember God spoke loudly to my heart. Like in all the time I had been at that Church never had God spoken like He did this time.

And it was actually Easter Sunday Services, and the guy got up started talking and whatnot and God spoke clearly to my heart and said look at your family, and looked over and I saw my wife, my daughter, my niece and my brother in law just mesmerized by this dude, they were totally into what he was saying, just cracking up. Do you want them to be lead astray by this guy, by this Church? And I heard clearly, get up and leave now. So I got up and left right there in the middle of Easter Sunday Services and never looked back...

I have a pretty amazing testimony of how I ended up at my Church you can read it in the Thread I made with my Testimony, or I can reiterate it here if others would like to know, but I now attend a smaller Missionary Baptist Church and it is completely opposite of the Churches I attended in the past. Some people pick and choose their Church, do Church shopping and what not, and I was in the middle of such a thing but I have zero doubts that this is the Church God wanted me to go to, He Himself lead me there in some Divine Circumstances.

When I first started attending just over 3 years ago, we had 9 preachers there, we are down to 3 because most of them went on to become Pastors of other Churches, but this Church and now our other 4 sister Churches are amazing. The people are exceedingly loving and caring, bend over backwards to help and love and pray for one another. My life has had some major twists and turns in the past 3 years and I cant imagine not having my Church there to support, love and pray for me and my Family.

Since I have been there my entire immediate family except my Father has been saved, when the preacher preaches, he preaches, not just some dry weak self help garbage but we read directly out of the Bible and the Spirit moves.

Thunder spoke about wanting to shout Amen, well that is the normal thing at our Church, you wouldnt be out of place there at all!! We all shout (dont think Charismatic/Pentecostal) and testify and sing about the Lord. There is true freedom at this Church, if God puts a testimony on my heart, if God lays a verse on my heart, if God puts it on my heart to open up, I have the liberty to at any point (save when the preachers starts preaching until he delivers his message) stand up, testify, sing, shout, read the verse, whatever it is God wants I can do. The entire congregation is like that, its open to everyone at all times (save preaching) to sing, shout, testify, read Scripture ect.

It literally is the complete and total opposite of all the other Churches I have ever been in, I couldnt imagine at the Vineyard standing up and testifying about what Christ had done for me that week, I would probably be shouted down or at the best made to feel awkward. There is no way I could open up for the preacher there if God laid it on my heart to do so. No way I could sing whatever was on my heart or ask the Congregation to sing with me.

And the most important part is the Gospel is preached EVERY SINGLE MESSAGE 100% of the time, absolutely nothing comes before preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ when the preaching begins. In 3 years I have yet to sit during a Services where the Life Death and Resurrection isnt somehow preached and part of the message is given to call the Lost to Repentance and Salvation. Even when the focus is on the Church and saved people, at some point the preacher will preach on Christ and Salvation!!!

There are no weak Self Help Christless Sermons, in this Church you are forced to grow, forced to step up in your Faith and given the opportunity to exercise that Faith. I love my Church, do I always want to go? Not every time but I can not deny how amazing my Church is, how Christ centered it is, how loving it is. The Spirit is always there and you can get something from God every service if you go in there seeking Him.

Its amazing and breaks my heart to read those of my fellow Brothers and Sisters who dont have Churches like this. We do broadcast online via Facebook if anyone is interested in watching PM and I can send you the link or invite. I help to run the streaming services at the Church.

Praying everyone can be placed in a Good Gospel Preaching Church where they can actively participate in!!
 

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Wow @Daciple I can relate! It's wonderful to hear there are other churches out there that push people to grow and that preaches the gospel, push people to step out in faith and care for one another like a family.

It also breaks my heart if I hear people struggling to find such a church.
 
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I guess this may be a bit nosey, but I'm curious what kind of worship gatherings y'alls get up to. :)

The family and I attend a very small independent Baptist church, but I don't identify with any congregation, and I doubt many would identify with me, lol. We like the fellowship there, and Junior has good friends that attend, but I find the sermons boring, and I am tired of singing hymns with only a half dozen others. I want to shout Amen! and sing as loud as I can. I could do that, I suppose, but it would be kind of disruptive.

I realize I am very blessed to be able to go to any kind of church at all, but I don't feel particularly fed there, and I'm wondering who here loves their church, and why. Also, which Christians here don't go to church at all, and why.
I go to an IFB church that I love.

The pastor is a true man of God, and though we have visitors often, 99% of our church members are saved, Bible-believing Christians.

I love it because it is KJB only, soul winning, the Pastor preaches hard (and backs up EVERY doctrine directly from the Bible) which helps the church stay the course and avoid sin in our daily living much more than if he just preached what was in season.

Also our Pastor practices Biblical church discipline, which many churches seem to have forsaken these days, and the Pastor expounds on doctrine and I always feel like I’m learning something with every service.
 
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