Trump/Hillary/Clintons/2020/Madness

[Z. T. Jacob]

There are apparantly more immigrants coming in now then in the last 12 years, however, how that qualifies as a national emergency I don’t know.

The proposed tariff increase on Mexico isn’t going to help. Costs will rise exponentially for citizen consumers, USA companies will lose clients and income. It will cost us more money then the immigration problem is. It’s a stupid idea.

I think our best bet at this point is to direct revenue towards encouraging them to stay where they are and not come here. Instead of trying to deal with it after the fact. Band aid solutions are always more expensive and less effective then preventive measures. The wall is not a preventive measure.

I’m not a foreign policy or immigration expert so what those preemptive measures are idk but I’m sure they exist if we put our minds towards finding them

A think a good way to go about it is to renegotiate our trade deals to require other countries to raise their minimum wage and combat the cartels, so there would be less of an incentive for Immigrants to come here and less of an incentive for companies to move jobs overseas.

I also think we should have reduced tuition for trade schools and college for us citizens, as well as a stipend for those attending to cover living expenses. I also think we should raise the minimum wage here, so jobs that would be higher-paying don't have the pay rate lowered by Immigrants willing to work for $10/hour, which would also reduce spending on the safety net.

 

[polymoog]

The proposed tariff increase on Mexico isn’t going to help.

we could be wrong: http://archive.is/8KCqr

TradeMexican president hints at migration concessions to avoid Trump tariffs
Published Sat, Jun 1 2019•1:39 PM EDT|Updated Sat, Jun 1 2019•3:03 PM EDT

 

[justjess]

He wrote an open letter I believe Sunday absolutely saying the opposite. Idk...

In general WE pay the cost of tariffs.

 

[ohhi9876]

He wrote an open letter I believe Sunday absolutely saying the opposite. Idk...

In general WE pay the cost of tariffs.

yeah the tariff money would just go into collected money and then congress assigns where the money goes - anyone hear about the 2020 defense bill?

 

[ohhi9876]

yeah the tariff money would just go into collected money and then congress assigns where the money goes - anyone hear about the 2020 defense bill?

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/defense-main/2019/05/senate-committee-authorizes-750-billion-defense-budget-establishes-space-force/

Senate committee authorizes $750 billion defense budget, establishes space force

 

[ohhi9876]

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/defense-main/2019/05/senate-committee-authorizes-750-billion-defense-budget-establishes-space-force/

Senate committee authorizes $750 billion defense budget, establishes space force

2020 - if approved that will be an all time high.

For FY2019, the Department of Defense budget is $686,074,048,000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

 

[justjess]

That figure is just an insane... especially so for a nation with natural geographic isolation providing defense which costs nothing.

 

[ohhi9876]

anyone watch T's 2020 rollout last night?? i got through some of it..it was confusing because it was like 2016 all over again. he mentioned hillary endlessly (as of now she is not running again) i think she will announce a run this fall... maybe he knows she will? also most of the topics he brought up were all the same as 2016. very strange..

 

[ohhi9876]

anyone watch T's 2020 rollout last night?? i got through some of it..it was confusing because it was like 2016 all over again. he mentioned hillary endlessly (as of now she is not running again) i think she will announce a run this fall... maybe he knows she will? also most of the topics he brought up were all the same as 2016. very strange..

 

[polymoog]

my still unresolved problems with trump:
- hillary is still not indicted on charges
- assange should have been given asylum in the US already
- he hasnt been tough enough on 2nd amendment rights
- weak on 1st amendment rights on and off the internet (no comment on the FL hate speech bill)

that said, we dont have much of a better choice.

 

[Sunshine]

Yet again I will point out that just because I lean left on various topics does not by any means make me some Democratic Party shill. I disagree with the Democratic Party on a million things. I disagree with the mainstream Democratic Party on damn near everything except the few rare issues where they have been pushed to concede to the further left (student loan relief, universal health care, better wages).

The problem is his solution isn’t a solution if every expert says it will accomplish nothing. I’m still not entirely opposed to it if there’s some sort of compromise met. I am entirely opposed to a massive waste of funds while we are being beat in the head with the “there’s no money to give our citizens nice things” bullshit. I am entirely opposed to undertaking a project that requires a lot of capital with out an equivalent ROI while we are at the same time cutting taxes on corporations and the very wealthy. Because where is the money coming from to do it? It’s coming off the backs off the poor and vulnerable populations of this country and that’s not okay.

The democrats suck on this too. And their stubborn insistence on ignoring what soo many people of this country are screaming about is burying them. Whether or not they agree immigration is a problem they need to recognize that a large percent of the population believes it to be and that isn’t a belief you can reason away. So they should be proposing something and meeting people at least some of the way but they won’t. That’s a problem.


Consider me Varys here... my only and overarching concern in EVERYTHING is the good of the realm. How it will effect people. That’s it.

You seem to be underestimating the effect a physical barrier would have at the border. I have done a modicum of research and I know a few guys in law enforcement, including CBP (Customs & Border Patrol). They are all looking forward to having the Wall built, it definitely would make it easier to control the flow of people. Don't forget, we're not just talking about visitors and immigrants, but human trafficking is a huge and growing problem. And let's not leave out the guns, drugs, and any number of counterfeit products that are cruising on through by the truckload and ending up on the streets, in mostly poverty-stricken areas, all across the country.

Trump had to hold the Mexican president's hand over an economic candle, but he got him to finally start to act to disperse the caravans and start sending the people home. Every one of the thousands of caravaners who got bussed back to Central/South America from the border is a plane ticket we didn't have to buy, an Immigration Court case we didn't have to hold and provide a lawyer for, a year or more worth's of housing, meals, medical care and all the other necessary sundries that we don't have to use public monies to pay for.

A little math will tell you, that Wall will pay for itself with all the money we Don't Spend, on those who refuse to play by our rules from the start.

 

[DavidSon]

...that said, we dont have much of a better choice.

Sad you think this way. I respect a lot of your views, but Drumph is the best the conservatives can do? What about a Ron Paul, someone with character and intelligence who actually cares about the US?

It's mind boggling that good American people see anything worthy in him. Born with a silver spoon, pretentious game-show billionaire, dim-witted, draft dodging, junk-food eating braggart. Are Christians aware he rose to prominence because of filthy Las Vegas and Atlantic City casinos? If you listen to his campaign speech from the other night, every word from his mouth is a lie. He's a pathological liar and for years multiple groups of psychologists have warned how ill he obviously is.

Every post in his administration has been filled by traitorous snakes. They're all warmongers, corporate criminals, and Wall street insiders. Again it's repulsive to see simple minded rural Americans sucking up to such an fraudulent representative of the United States.

We can do better.

 

[Thunderian]

my still unresolved problems with trump:
- hillary is still not indicted on charges
- assange should have been given asylum in the US already
- he hasnt been tough enough on 2nd amendment rights
- weak on 1st amendment rights on and off the internet (no comment on the FL hate speech bill)

that said, we dont have much of a better choice.

We were told there would be a wall.

 

[DevaWolf]

We were told there would be a wall.

Do your Christian values align with such a thing?

 

[Thunderian]

Do your Christian values align with such a thing?

Absolutely. The Bible says that God's city, the New Jerusalem, will have a wall.

Rev 21:14​

And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.​

 

[polymoog]

Sad you think this way. I respect a lot of your views, but Drumph is the best the conservatives can do? What about a Ron Paul, someone with character and intelligence who actually cares about the US?

It's mind boggling that good American people see anything worthy in him. Born with a silver spoon, pretentious game-show billionaire, dim-witted, draft dodging, junk-food eating braggart. Are Christians aware he rose to prominence because of filthy Las Vegas and Atlantic City casinos? If you listen to his campaign speech from the other night, every word from his mouth is a lie. He's a pathological liar and for years multiple groups of psychologists have warned how ill he obviously is.

Every post in his administration has been filled by traitorous snakes. They're all warmongers, corporate criminals, and Wall street insiders. Again it's repulsive to see simple minded rural Americans sucking up to such an fraudulent representative of the United States.

We can do better.

oh, i was a huge ron paul fan. but when he ran the second time and simply threw in the towel without a fight, i became disgusted with him. had a been a bernie supporter in the last election, i wouldve felt the exact same way.
after ron paul, i knew any chance america had of righting itself was over. i like some of trumps policies, but not all of them, and like i said, hes the best of the bunch. he has lied, but we would be hard pressed to find a politician who hasnt. yes, i know hes filled the cabinet with more swamp rats like the ones he is trying to remove from the deep state. im not happy about that either, but at least we dont have hillary (or a socialist in office).

 

[polymoog]

We were told there would be a wall.

the publicly funded wall is up and growing.

 

[DevaWolf]

Absolutely. The Bible says that God's city, the New Jerusalem, will have a wall.

Rev 21:14​

And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.​

You believe Trump is a prophet of God? Why?

 

[Thunderian]

You believe Trump is a prophet of God? Why?

WHAT?! No! What would make you think that?

 

[Thunderian]

oh, i was a huge ron paul fan. but when he ran the second time and simply threw in the towel without a fight, i became disgusted with him. had a been a bernie supporter in the last election, i wouldve felt the exact same way.
after ron paul, i knew any chance america had of righting itself was over. i like some of trumps policies, but not all of them, and like i said, hes the best of the bunch. he has lied, but we would be hard pressed to find a politician who hasnt. yes, i know hes filled the cabinet with more swamp rats like the ones he is trying to remove from the deep state. im not happy about that either, but at least we dont have hillary (or a socialist in office).

I was a big fan of Ron Paul, too, but he turned out to be a real dud. I lost interest in American politics then, and in American conservatives. I thought we would see two terms of Obama, then two terms of Hillary, and then the end of the world.

Trump took me by surprise. At first, I just admired his ability to troll the idiot left, but he's turned out to be a great conservative president.