BTS discussion thread

[TheNightDuck]

I feel he is calling out ppl in the industry who chose to get on drugs rather than toughing it out(like him).Since there are quite a few alleged artists addicted to drugs yet they still are in the industry and wont get out.

Which again alludes to the fact that I doubt he would even be in an anti bullying campaign had it not been for beets.

 

[TheNightDuck]

%100 agree.
Small or big, they all seems like gone through some kind of operation, plus, skin bleaching, regularly using expensive skin and hair treatments and products, make-up, good clothes, filters, photoshop, also, they trained to be more appealing in front of camera, they know how to pose not only in photos but in general.
so when you think about all of this, not only them but most of the kpop idols are not that much beautiful or handsome.

In addition to that, they have weak vocals, I mean, its been years but still none of them have really strong vocal performance, mostly pre-record or auto-tone. Their dancing skill is not bad but there are lots of idols or dancers in general at the same level or higher.

Hmm. Interesting. Skin bleaching not so sure about that. The rest is normal entertainment industry visuals. I used to be an aesthetician and its not that unusual for men to do these kinds of things, it would obviously be more ramped up in the entertainment world.

I personally dont think they have weak vocals at all. The rap line are excellent rappers and Jin, Taehyung and Jungkook are really good live. Jimin can be shaky. But I mean I think they have unique voices especially Jin and Taehyung

 

[Shuna]

To emphasize the theory that it is Jin:
As I said, each member represents a part, of his life: The last two are Jungkook, for his fall, and Suga for his suicide, his murder, his sacrifice.
And sending this meme that many people love, putting, with the scene of Jin, gives me the idea, that after following the corruption, Jungkook, the member who falls, to Suga, the suicidal:
https://mimibtsghost.tumblr.com%2Fpost%2F618814691601465344
Another scene refers to this passage, which as he points out from Not Today, was not yet there. Jungkook angry with Suga, hits him. Corruption hits the suicidal. I cut, in this message, the explanatory part of this scene.


Jin is struck by Jungkook, for his treachery. Even if it has nothing to do, V is struck by his father, in Wings, but his father is not visible. Then, he was locked in a cage, and the only thing that remained pure, is the puppy, which finally also, like the fleur-de-lis is the sign of purity, and represents the soul of Jin, which ends up burned, like Suga, ends up getting burned.

 

[cadiz]

I feel he is calling out ppl in the industry who chose to get on drugs rather than toughing it out(like him).Since there are quite a few alleged artists addicted to drugs yet they still are in the industry and wont get out.

yes, but he is dissing a drug addict after making songs about his own mental health struggles.

you can read the refference in genius lyrics (a lot of people suspect he was talking about the Ikon guy)

Spoiler: explanation

“Pill-popper”may be a dig at an other labels artists who where caught bulk buying pills and trying to get a discount for it, to get inspiration for their songs thanks to the hallucinogenic qualities of said pills. The whistle blower who showed the kakap conversations to the South-Korean Police said it was a frequently used practice she witnessed at that label since they were accepted as trainee who quickly became quickly very popular and had connections and relationships with renown artists of Company Label A.

So we are supposed to feel sorry for Suga for his mental health struggles, but at the same time we are supposed to make fun of a guy who is an addict, and popping pills (because he is weak and not a tigger like Sugar) I'm not ok with that double standard

again...this is just my opinion
i can't see anything good about this Sugar guy, just a man full of greed and basically cruel.

 

[tmbrown3]

That too! I think its a jab at what he views as the people who are losers who choose drugs. Hence him saying oh please is this why u pop pills, u just have no skills. Nobody can deny that suga is an excellent rapper.
I didn't even think of it regarding the anti bullying because in the end this is the kind of rap Suga always wanted to be doing and again, Suga was never into the cutesy thing. He didnt even want to dance if im not mistaken

Suga is more a battle/lyrical rapper to me and they tend to be more brutal, like b r u t a l.

Which again alludes to the fact that I doubt he would even be in an anti bullying campaign had it not been for beets.

i'm not going to say he would or wouldn't, there's other battle/lyrical rappers who have more degrading/disgusting lyrics and still help impoverished communities, etc so no one can really say.

yes, but he is dissing a drug addict after making songs about his own mental health struggles.

you can read the refference in genius lyrics (a lot of people suspect he was talking about the Ikon guy)

Spoiler: explanation

“Pill-popper”may be a dig at an other labels artists who where caught bulk buying pills and trying to get a discount for it, to get inspiration for their songs thanks to the hallucinogenic qualities of said pills. The whistle blower who showed the kakap conversations to the South-Korean Police said it was a frequently used practice she witnessed at that label since they were accepted as trainee who quickly became quickly very popular and had connections and relationships with renown artists of Company Label A.

So we are supposed to feel sorry for Suga for his mental health struggles, but at the same time we are supposed to make fun of a guy who is an addict, and popping pills (because he is weak and not a tigger like Sugar) I'm not ok with that double standard

again...this is just my opinion
i can't see anything good about this Sugar guy, just a man full of greed and basically cruel.

I genuinely dont give a rat's behind about bt$, hence why this is my 2nd post in this thread lol, for me though i will say the majority of drug addicts i feel no pity for, only the ones who were forced to get on drugs/had extreme trauma and abuse. I also feel little pity for artists with mental issues, they're in a profession that amplifies it and instead of getting out/help they turn to drugs which is more difficult to obtain in Korea. Before you say i'm heartless i have multiple mental issues myself that i deal with (unmediated as well). So, my empathy is low.

 

[Door]

Wow, Agust D mixtape is quite... the experience. Some of the songs are so insanely depressing that I felt emptiness in my chest. Especially "28" and "Burn it". I don't know why he drinks exactly, but I feel like if I was in his head, judging the contents of his mind by his lyrics, I'd wanna get numb with alcohol as well. Just made me wanna wrap a blanket around him.
And what's with "Dear my Friend"? I didn't expect to hear such a song. It's obviously really personal, and just... why? Even though I'm quite curious what exactly happened that someone Yoongi calls a friend, who he hates, or hates him, and who he is calling a monster, and is in prison, just...what's going on? It's so out of nowhere. I'm so confused by it. And it's also the last stop of this whole experience ride.
And so confused by "Stange". He's openly boasting about his status and money in other songs (and not just on this mixtape), and then, like a totally different person, has a song with lyrics like:
"Everything in dust, do you see? Everything in lust, oh what do you see?"
"However much money you've got, everyone's a slave in this system."
"The dog collar and doghouse, they are busy showing off to each other, they fight the whole day over whose shines more."
It really feels as if one song is written by Agust D, and another by Yoongi. But I'm not even sure who is who.

The mixtape is so disconnected, at least it felt so to me. His previous one was insanely depressing as well, but it felt like each song flows into the other, like it's a story that he prepared to tell, like he was trying hard to convey something personal, like the mixtape was supposed to be experienced that way, in that order, as it is - completely. And each song reflected the lyrics/rap, the music completed it. And it is dark, but it ended on a quite hopeful note. But this one is just...all over the place. Some of the songs, maybe there's a huge amount lost in translation, but it just sounded like rambling at times. Am I the only one? It just feels like it's not whole, like it's just a collection of songs he's made, not a mixtape. Is that just me?

I quite enjoyed the music and the flow of the rap in "Moonlight" and "People" though.

I'm really looking forward to any lyrics analysis you guys might do. I'm really curious how others see the lyrics.

 

[cadiz]

I genuinely dont give a rat's behind about bt$, hence why this is my 2nd post in this thread lol, for me though i will say the majority of drug addicts i feel no pity for, only the ones who were forced to get on drugs/had extreme trauma and abuse. I also feel little pity for artists with mental issues, they're in a profession that amplifies it and instead of getting out/help they turn to drugs which is more difficult to obtain in Korea. Before you say i'm heartless i have multiple mental issues myself that i deal with (unmediated as well). So, my empathy is low.

point taken.
As you don't feel sorry for artists with mental issues it explains why you are not so interested in them
Most of their songs are about depression and being sad, and empathy is supposed to be a big part of their brand (hence all the mental health and anti bullying campaigns)

Have a nice day!

 

[taepeach]

And what's with "Dear my Friend"? I didn't expect to hear such a song. It's obviously really personal, and just... why? Even though I'm quite curious what exactly happened that someone Yoongi calls a friend, who he hates, or hates him, and who he is calling a monster, and is in prison, just...what's going on? It's so out of nowhere. I'm so confused by it.

 

[OvercomeItAll]

I watched the mv, in the first picture you share, I notice there are 3 heads hanging from the balcony and the flags and the circular thing at the bottom of the castle form a triangle and an eye. ( I don't know what to call it, I am sure it is not castle, sorry lol)

I am really bad at drawing sorry for this guys lol.

triangle and one eye
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and 3 heads hanging with bloods on them (they are already sacrificed)

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then one more men sacrificed in front of him (for him)
we can see all of the things I say, in one scene.

triangle and eye are in blue
heads are in red.
and sug@ with scar in one eye watching all of the sacrifices done for him from the castle (what are these traditional houses called?)

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I do not remember how many sacrifices are related with the boys in this forum ?

Yeah, I mention these deaths and the display of the ... heads here

Okay, so I finally watched the mv (with a lot of caution because the last time I fully watched a bt§ mv (ON) to analyse it here, it messed me up for days. I hate ON)

Anyway, so somebody already noticed the triangle on the floor where yoonggi is standing amongst the flames. There is a clear circle in that triangle :/

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Blonde yoonggi likes to murder a lot of men (I discuss that in a bit). In this scene, standing bound in the centre with that symbol, it looks like black haired yoonggi is being prepared to be a sacrifice/killed too. (Which he doesnt end up being because he kills blonde yoonggi. Confusing.)

Speaking of sacrifices, this scene

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Emperor(?) Yoonggi watches them behead a man. The severed head in a sack is then placed in a wooden box. (Notices all the men lined up to also get killed.)

Yoonggi then admires this box with the fresh head. (There are multiple boxes there already)

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To make things worse, some of the heads in sacks never make it into a box. They're hung up like lanterns.

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This made me realise that blood/symbolism of sacrifice always surrounds yoonggi.

In this single (Shadow?), he's surrounded in bloodish wax staining walls and doors.

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Someone here later found out what artist/sculptor this was inspired from, and how it could symbolise the bands bloodshed. (The second pic of the sculptor's work
looks a lot like a coffin)


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In ON, we had this scene. A lot of red.

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I'm pretty sure this is the entire band's bloodshed, but why is it yoonggi that's starring in these scenes most?

I don't think anyone guessed the exact amount of sacrifices. It's too hard to be sure.

 

[TheNightDuck]

I didn't say man can not do it, I am saying there is so much going on that we don't see.
Also, skin bleaching well known in kpop.

I and lot of people think they have weak vocals, but no need to discuss, cause we can have different opinions, Right?

Then say its ur opinion instead of stating it as though its a fact ? Just a thought

 

[taepeach]

Earlier i stated this was my favorite track yet look at the lyrics...on itunes/spotify it literally says you have to be over 19 years old to listen to it... And fans are now discovering many of the track instrumental/demos were included in their burn the stage documentaries (2017-19) so he actually had been working on this album for a while. Idk this album really does give off depressed/negative/gloomy energy, not just the vibe but actual depressing energy

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1263783775487606785

 

[Rawdollmariah]

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Also I seen this one comment that made me sad.

 

[taepeach]

I find it weird how much yoongi has mentioned God, even rm in his mixtape.
And their song Strange

[Chorus: Agust D]
Everything in dust
Do you see?
Well, well, well
Everything in lust
Oh, what do you see?
Well, well, well
Someone tell me whether life is pain
Well, well
If there is a God, tell me whether life is happiness

[Pre-Chorus: Agust D]
In a sick world, a person that is well
Isn't it strange how they are treated as a mutant
In a world with its eyes closed, a person with theirs open
Isn't it strange how now they are made blind(oh you mean like those who know the truth about the elites/occult and exposing the industries?)
Someone who wishes for peace, someone who wishes for war
Isn't it strange how they are each at the extremes of their ideologies
They tell you to have dreams, though no one has it
There are no answers, isn't it strange

RM
The choices you’ve been given
Are all preferences controlled by the capital
People talk
'My feed explains me'
{No matter how much money is in your grasp
Everyone's a slave to this system
The dog necklace and dog house you are so busy bragging about
All day, fighting over whose glimmer more
Now even you won't know}

[Pre-Chorus: RM]
In a sick world, a person that is well
I don't think it's strange that he is treated a mutant
In a world with its eyes closed, a person with theirs open
I think it's more strange that only they have theirs open (because not everyone will follow blindly to what goes on, and when yall are literally being more blatant and obvious about the occult and industry and what the intentions really are!)
Someone who wishes for peace, someone who wishes for war
The wordplay that changes as easy as the flipping of a palm
It’s the kind of world where a dream has become an option, but
There’s no answer, that’s the answer

The song literally just talks about how divided the world is and the illusion people live in. I mean just how it was prophesized in the bible there will be division and perilous times in the last days. So like why are they stating/exposing these things so easily?? I hope this doesnt lead to a "suicide attempt" scandal of yoongi...someone mentooned how this mixtape sounds kind of all over the place, it may mean how messed up/wasted he currently is, mentally emotionally physically, clearly even spiritually.

 

[taepeach]

By the way this....anyone knows about ancestry and how it might relate to how famous/rich they are? Jin was mentioned here about being really rich and his true role in the group

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264117779835367424

 

[lauren_xox]

By the way this....anyone knows about ancestry and how it might relate to how famous/rich they are? Jin was mentioned here about being really rich and his true role in the group

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264117779835367424

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Yeah, bloodlines and historical significance in your family tree is really important to the elite. Some of them secretly still believe in eugenics or think that their ancestral tree has some power attached to it which destines further descendants for greatness. I knew of Jin and Taehyung's bloodlines being "important" but I had no idea of the rest.

 

[TheNightDuck]

Suga is more a battle/lyrical rapper to me and they tend to be more brutal, like b r u t a l.



i'm not going to say he would or wouldn't, there's other battle/lyrical rappers who have more degrading/disgusting lyrics and still help impoverished communities, etc so no one can really say.



Lol no I agree that he could still help people, give charity, etc etc

However If he had been a solo artist from the get go, I dont think he would have been part of an anti bullying campaign, only because how u going to be such a vicious rapper and roast the EFF out people whilst being like hey guys, no bullying. Not that I think he is a bully at all. His style of Brutal hardcore rapping includes being able to diss the hell out of anyone or anything. So hence im saying rapping isnt synonymous with anti bullying. If u get what im ssaying? Dont know if im saying what I want to say, properly

 

[yoongiyoongi]

I find it weird how much yoongi has mentioned God, even rm in his mixtape.
And their song Strange

[Chorus: Agust D]
Everything in dust
Do you see?
Well, well, well
Everything in lust
Oh, what do you see?
Well, well, well
Someone tell me whether life is pain
Well, well
If there is a God, tell me whether life is happiness

[Pre-Chorus: Agust D]
In a sick world, a person that is well
Isn't it strange how they are treated as a mutant
In a world with its eyes closed, a person with theirs open
Isn't it strange how now they are made blind(oh you mean like those who know the truth about the elites/occult and exposing the industries?)
Someone who wishes for peace, someone who wishes for war
Isn't it strange how they are each at the extremes of their ideologies
They tell you to have dreams, though no one has it
There are no answers, isn't it strange

RM
The choices you’ve been given
Are all preferences controlled by the capital
People talk
'My feed explains me'
{No matter how much money is in your grasp
Everyone's a slave to this system
The dog necklace and dog house you are so busy bragging about
All day, fighting over whose glimmer more
Now even you won't know}

[Pre-Chorus: RM]
In a sick world, a person that is well
I don't think it's strange that he is treated a mutant
In a world with its eyes closed, a person with theirs open
I think it's more strange that only they have theirs open (because not everyone will follow blindly to what goes on, and when yall are literally being more blatant and obvious about the occult and industry and what the intentions really are!)
Someone who wishes for peace, someone who wishes for war
The wordplay that changes as easy as the flipping of a palm
It’s the kind of world where a dream has become an option, but
There’s no answer, that’s the answer

The song literally just talks about how divided the world is and the illusion people live in. I mean just how it was prophesized in the bible there will be division and perilous times in the last days. So like why are they stating/exposing these things so easily?? I hope this doesnt lead to a "suicide attempt" scandal of yoongi...someone mentooned how this mixtape sounds kind of all over the place, it may mean how messed up/wasted he currently is, mentally emotionally physically, clearly even spiritually.

Apparently the elite put their plans out like that so they don't feel "guilty" afterwards because they tell you what's going to happen and even when the truth hidden is in plain sight people see nothing wrong with it and just carry on like everything is normal, it is also a way of predictive programming i think and people not questioning them or doubting that there are sick agendas etc or opposing their sick ways just gives them more reason to continue because even where the evidence is right there people like to create other theories from what it truly means .. also i wonder if that is truly him in control of his body ..because like on this thread a member once said that Agust D was just another one of his alters .. but everything on his mix tape is how he truly feels about his life etc ...so is this yoongi talking about himself ... or just another alter?

 

[Door]

My friend said someting interesting, I'm not quite sure what I think of it yet, but I think it's an interesting thought, so I wanted to share. I'm paraphrasing, but she said something along the lines of:
"I find it so ironic. Let's be serious, Yoongi's a celebrity, probably has never been in a real fight. Whenever he has fake bruises, trying to look like some gangster, that's all it is - make up. Not saying the bruises had to be real, or that he should've put himself in danger just to have a badass bruise to show off on a photoshoot the next day (that would've been even more fucked up), but it's still funny to me that he's trying to be a badass while taking the idol way of it - make up. It's like a whole nother level of symbolism just in that action." What do you guys think?

 

[Shadow]

My friend said someting interesting, I'm not quite sure what I think of it yet, but I think it's an interesting thought, so I wanted to share. I'm paraphrasing, but she said something along the lines of:
"I find it so ironic. Let's be serious, Yoongi's a celebrity, probably has never been in a real fight. Whenever he has fake bruises, trying to look like some gangster, that's all it is - make up. Not saying the bruises had to be real, or that he should've put himself in danger just to have a badass bruise to show off on a photoshoot the next day (that would've been even more fucked up), but it's still funny to me that he's trying to be a badass while taking the idol way of it - make up. It's like a whole nother level of symbolism just in that action." What do you guys think?
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In the mixtape song 'Dear my friend' It feels like suga is talking to someone I heard it was also a drug reference where it says 'You asked me to' and about the popping pills which sounded really horrible for him to say. It was a little unexpected. I agree with the fact suga makes out this image, but the makeup he has oversides the harshness so no one takes him serious for the rapping.

I believe he might be referencing the (occultist) park bogum because he also has a song 'Dear my friend' and in the song suga talks about the prison and he also has done acting that includes prison etc. Earlier BTS were talking about the theme of drugs and asparagus and this might have something to do with it.

I believe suga and Rm are the ones to make the most illuminati sacrifices in the group because in the On music vid he is the occult leader represented. Also in the agust d2 MV there are heads in a bag and it reminded me of a tweet:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/335284359781302272

He mentions the reference of chopping a head off with an axe. He has all the heads in his bags on the balcony and it's pretty disturbing..(and look how the heads have gotten) in his tweet the translation is:
Suga says, “I’m watching you all. If I catch you looking elsewhere, I’ll [take a photo/hit] with my camera. ^^ With the corner. ^^ On the crown of your head”
(Note: The tweet uses a play on the Korean word jjikda, a verb which can mean “take a picture” as well as “hit a point with an object; stick; hack (with an axe).”

In his mixtape the lyrics also say ''Glitter, glitter look at my crown glitter. Remember, remember days gone by remember'' It feels like he's talking about that tweet and how it might've happened

 

[Shuna]

My friend said someting interesting, I'm not quite sure what I think of it yet, but I think it's an interesting thought, so I wanted to share. I'm paraphrasing, but she said something along the lines of:
"I find it so ironic. Let's be serious, Yoongi's a celebrity, probably has never been in a real fight. Whenever he has fake bruises, trying to look like some gangster, that's all it is - make up. Not saying the bruises had to be real, or that he should've put himself in danger just to have a badass bruise to show off on a photoshoot the next day (that would've been even more fucked up), but it's still funny to me that he's trying to be a badass while taking the idol way of it - make up. It's like a whole nother level of symbolism just in that action." What do you guys think?
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They also cannot, with the ideology of the Idol, give them a point hit, right in the face, to go with a clip.

In the mixtape song 'Dear my friend' It feels like suga is talking to someone I heard it was also a drug reference where it says 'You asked me to' and about the popping pills which sounded really horrible for him to say. It was a little unexpected. I agree with the fact suga makes out this image, but the makeup he has oversides the harshness so no one takes him serious for the rapping.

I believe he might be referencing the (occultist) park bogum because he also has a song 'Dear my friend' and in the song suga talks about the prison and he also has done acting that includes prison etc. Earlier BTS were talking about the theme of drugs and asparagus and this might have something to do with it.

I believe suga and Rm are the ones to make the most illuminati sacrifices in the group because in the On music vid he is the occult leader represented. Also in the agust d2 MV there are heads in a bag and it reminded me of a tweet:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/335284359781302272

He mentions the reference of chopping a head off with an axe. He has all the heads in his bags on the balcony and it's pretty disturbing..(and look how the heads have gotten) in his tweet the translation is:
Suga says, “I’m watching you all. If I catch you looking elsewhere, I’ll [take a photo/hit] with my camera. ^^ With the corner. ^^ On the crown of your head”
(Note: The tweet uses a play on the Korean word jjikda, a verb which can mean “take a picture” as well as “hit a point with an object; stick; hack (with an axe).”

In his mixtape the lyrics also say ''Glitter, glitter look at my crown glitter. Remember, remember days gone by remember'' It feels like he's talking about that tweet and how it might've happened

The word ax makes me think of the "game of death". The "death game" is a ritual, which incidentally, Sehun on itself. This game consists in psychologically destroying a person. J-Hope, the practice on V when he practices on V.

Another thing to know, a clown with a severed head is a symbol of royalty.


I also add something that bothered me, it is the word "Deachwita", cut in half and the people whose heads are cut, if you color their outfits in oranges, and their me was a black bag on the head, it made me think of... Finally, you guess who I think...