Wearing a Mask

Hon33

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smh idk what you wrote but I'll just respond for the heck of it.
In the sentence I stated fake pandemic but there are brainwashed sheeple everywhere whom believe this is all real. Look around you for instance, all these people wearing mask at stores are all following sheep. Must I say more? This was all a test to see who would comply and who wouldn't, soon it'll be with the vaccine. Who'll get it, and who wont. Everywhere I go I can tell whose a idiot and whose not. Those who wear mask= morons who are still asleep those without it are either awake or can't afford to have one.
I'm not a sheep because I'm awake and know most then those who are being deceived know.
We've all been asleep some part in our life, but it's how you wake up that matters.
How about you actually write to me discussing more about how this all a hoax, then writing something that actually confused the hell outta me.
Yea, I’ll admit that wasn’t one an example of a clear post. Rather, it was one of sheer exasperation that there are still people in society who believe this is a hoax.
I apologise for my lack of clarity, I have a brain injury and I was very tired when I wrote it. Mainly, it was a reaction to my utter disbelief that people still maintain that a virus which has killed 100000 people in the USA in the past few months alone, is a hoax.
So you want me to discuss why this might be a hoax? Okay, go ahead. I’m listening.
 

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Firstly, just to be clear here, when you are talking about aluminium in comparison to steel, I’m assuming you are talking about an aluminium alloy and not the element, aluminium?
That being the case, let me tell you something you probably already know. Steel is an alloy of iron and carbon. Aluminium is an alloy of aluminium and copper or manganese or zinc or magnesium or some other elements.
Yes, in theory steel and aluminium will consistently have different properties - that much is obvious. However, metal alloys are made up of combinations of elements, to produce a certain tensile strength. It is not a precise tensile strength but falls within . This is often dependent for example, on the area of the world the product is made or in the instance of aluminium, the elements which are used in manufacturing it. Therefore, despite what you may think, the process will not produce a consistent outcome, meaning it is not absolute.
Similarly, if an anaesthetist “hooks” you up to some anaesthesia you may or may not fall asleep, depending on the dose given and your size, weight, medical history etc. The dose required by individual patients, varies. It is not an exact science. What may put you to sleep, may not put someone else to sleep. There are no absolutes. There is always the potential for a patient to outside of the normal range of expectation. That is why every anaesthetist will be prepared with medication to reverse the effect of the anaesthetic, should they need to do so.
You keep criticising my arguments however, far from me entering “straw man land”, it is you who keeps making assertions that don’t stand up to scrutiny. In the process, you have managed to steer the discussion far away from the original topic.
When you understand more about science and in particular medicine, we can discuss it further.
Oh and as a point of interest, go away and search the failure of steel bridges due to flaws in the manufacturing process. That will show you how failures in the actual science, can result in the very opposite of an absolute.
Your position is misleading at best, and at worst ignorant of nature.

Fortunately, it isn't that hard for me to find examples that you can't add some random complexity too. Let's talk about temperature for example. Like all of my examples, it's perfectly relevant to the subject of the efficacy of masks. If a person overheats, their body is drained of the necessary water to keep them alive, and they die. The effects of heatstroke and lack of oxygen are most certainly an absolute of science. Conversely, when temperatures are too cold, life cannot survive.

With that said wearing a mask in the summertime especially while working, definitely seems risky. Now maybe you have never gotten heatstroke, but let me tell you something. You are absolutely going down for the count.
 

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With that said wearing a mask in the summertime especially while working, definitely seems risky. Now maybe you have never gotten heatstroke, but let me tell you something. You are absolutely going down for the count.
Heat stroke is bad...
Wonder how its going to be in the summer heat at Disney World? They might have more problems than covid there when everyone has to wear a mask!

MOUSEKETEERS ON PATROL Disney World to reopen in July with ‘high-energy squads’ roaming park to make sure people wear masks
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Your position is misleading at best, and at worst ignorant of nature.

Fortunately, it isn't that hard for me to find examples that you can't add some random complexity too. Let's talk about temperature for example. Like all of my examples, it's perfectly relevant to the subject of the efficacy of masks. If a person overheats, their body is drained of the necessary water to keep them alive, and they die. The effects of heatstroke and lack of oxygen are most certainly an absolute of science. Conversely, when temperatures are too cold, life cannot survive.

With that said wearing a mask in the summertime especially while working, definitely seems risky. Now maybe you have never gotten heatstroke, but let me tell you something. You are absolutely going down for the count.
Yes you are right. If your body reaches a temperature which is too hot you can die - in theory. If your body becomes too cold you can die - in theory. No one is questioning that. The problem is that while that is the case, there is no absolute around it. There is no definitive set of circumstances which will cause a certain reaction and there may be a variety of reactions which will occur, but not everyone will react in the same way.
I’m sorry but that’s not me being argumentative. It’s just a fact. The best we can say as medical professionals is, in certain circumstances, this is what we might expect to see. It does not mean that we will see it in every circumstance.
I know you think my illness has no relevance here, but it has more relevance bullet proof glass and aluminium and steel.
I had a very bad bleed in my brain around the brain stem and into the cisterns of my brain. My family were warned of the possibly catastrophic outcome - more than possible, the likely. While it did change my life did change unrecognisably, It did not change in the way the extent of the haemorrhage suggested it was likely to. The woman in the bed opposite me was severely affected - could not talk, did not react to stimuli including touch, couldn’t really move more than one of her arms and mostly involuntarily, had a tracheostomy, was tube fed. She didn’t appear to recognise her family. She had had a craniotomy with the top of her skull tucked neatly into her tummy to keep the bone alive until it was ready to be replaced.
I had exactly the same bleed and the bleeding was in primarily the same sites. I have some cognitive impairment, and some mobility issues. However, I have more than a reasonable quality of life. There is no specific reason why her brain reacted differently to mine. After coiling, the same drug protocol was used for both of us and the same care pathway followed. She required further surgery. I did not.
There are expectations about how any illness may progress. Not everyone will react in the same way. Some will do better; some will do worse; others will die. 60% won’t make it to hospital alive; 50% of the remaining 40% will die in the first 20 days. There is no way of knowing exactly how the rest will recover. It varies greatly.
If you still don’t understand why I’m saying there are no absolutes in science and medicine, then I can’t make you understand. I keep adding random complexity because a) it’s not random complexity and b) the natural world is not within our control - and when we try to control it unnaturally, we don’t always get the results we expect.
We can only ever aim for the best results for the majority of people. We have to learn to expect the unexpected and we have to learn to anticipate it and deal with that. Sometimes that comes at a cost, which might not seem reasonable. In fact, in some instances it might not even be reasonable. Like in the scenario I describe above - everyone in the same hospital is treated with the same protocol. They are harsh drugs and some of them are administered 2 hrly, night and day, for 20 days. Some people will not develop the complication and therefore receive drugs they never would have needed. Others will receive the drugs and benefit from doing by preventing or limiting the complications. Others will take the and Will not benefit because they will develop the complications regardless, resulting in a poor outcome. There is no way of predicting for sure, whI have will react in exactly which way. The risk is equal for each patient but the outcome will not be the same. It is too late to wait until the complication develops to treat it. They have to try to prevent it - even though it might not work in every case.
The same can be said about Covid-19 to a certain extent. Certain people are seen as being more at risk of developing the condition. When it does develop however, there is no way of knowing with any certainty, how any individual will react. Therefore, everyone should be aware what the worst possible case scenario is. That’s not scare-mongering. It’s informing.
How does this not make sense? Where we might not know the exact risk, we have a moral duty not to leave it to chance.
Maybe it’s more complicated than that, in a country where healthcare is not free at the point of delivery. Maybe that’s what makes it more difficult to understand.
 

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Yes you are right. If your body reaches a temperature which is too hot you can die - in theory. If your body becomes too cold you can die - in theory. No one is questioning that. The problem is that while that is the case, there is no absolute around it. There is no definitive set of circumstances which will cause a certain reaction and there may be a variety of reactions which will occur, but not everyone will react in the same way.
I’m sorry but that’s not me being argumentative. It’s just a fact. The best we can say as medical professionals is, in certain circumstances, this is what we might expect to see. It does not mean that we will see it in every circumstance.
I know you think my illness has no relevance here, but it has more relevance bullet proof glass and aluminium and steel.
I had a very bad bleed in my brain around the brain stem and into the cisterns of my brain. My family were warned of the possibly catastrophic outcome - more than possible, the likely. While it did change my life did change unrecognisably, It did not change in the way the extent of the haemorrhage suggested it was likely to. The woman in the bed opposite me was severely affected - could not talk, did not react to stimuli including touch, couldn’t really move more than one of her arms and mostly involuntarily, had a tracheostomy, was tube fed. She didn’t appear to recognise her family. She had had a craniotomy with the top of her skull tucked neatly into her tummy to keep the bone alive until it was ready to be replaced.
I had exactly the same bleed and the bleeding was in primarily the same sites. I have some cognitive impairment, and some mobility issues. However, I have more than a reasonable quality of life. There is no specific reason why her brain reacted differently to mine. After coiling, the same drug protocol was used for both of us and the same care pathway followed. She required further surgery. I did not.
There are expectations about how any illness may progress. Not everyone will react in the same way. Some will do better; some will do worse; others will die. 60% won’t make it to hospital alive; 50% of the remaining 40% will die in the first 20 days. There is no way of knowing exactly how the rest will recover. It varies greatly.
If you still don’t understand why I’m saying there are no absolutes in science and medicine, then I can’t make you understand. I keep adding random complexity because a) it’s not random complexity and b) the natural world is not within our control - and when we try to control it unnaturally, we don’t always get the results we expect.
We can only ever aim for the best results for the majority of people. We have to learn to expect the unexpected and we have to learn to anticipate it and deal with that. Sometimes that comes at a cost, which might not seem reasonable. In fact, in some instances it might not even be reasonable. Like in the scenario I describe above - everyone in the same hospital is treated with the same protocol. They are harsh drugs and some of them are administered 2 hrly, night and day, for 20 days. Some people will not develop the complication and therefore receive drugs they never would have needed. Others will receive the drugs and benefit from doing by preventing or limiting the complications. Others will take the and Will not benefit because they will develop the complications regardless, resulting in a poor outcome. There is no way of predicting for sure, whI have will react in exactly which way. The risk is equal for each patient but the outcome will not be the same. It is too late to wait until the complication develops to treat it. They have to try to prevent it - even though it might not work in every case.
The same can be said about Covid-19 to a certain extent. Certain people are seen as being more at risk of developing the condition. When it does develop however, there is no way of knowing with any certainty, how any individual will react. Therefore, everyone should be aware what the worst possible case scenario is. That’s not scare-mongering. It’s informing.
How does this not make sense? Where we might not know the exact risk, we have a moral duty not to leave it to chance.
Maybe it’s more complicated than that, in a country where healthcare is not free at the point of delivery. Maybe that’s what makes it more difficult to understand.
Except everyone does react the same way to heat/cold.

If you are bored or feeling inquisitive, you can do some research on something called "Absolute Zero". I think you may find that enlightening. Either way, leaving everything up in the air doesn't seem like a good approach to science or medicine.

It sounds like you are some sort of philosopher of Solipsism. Like nothing is actually real outside of your own head. And somehow the standards of physics and science aren't really a good measurement because of randomness. In effect, you are reducing the science that counters your argument, while also reducing any science that might help your argument.

In practical terms, people don't live their lives according to chance. Like we don't take every random or freak tragedy and let it completely dictate how we live our lives. If people did that, and followed whatever philosopher you appear to be promoting, everyone would live in a plastic bubble and never leave said bubble.
 

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Terrifying “flu-like symptoms”?
Are you actually for real?
Do you have any real idea how this virus is affecting people?
did the corona kool aid man break through your wall and make you drink til you passed out? youre watching way too much TV.

Do you actually understand how the complications they are beginning to emerge from this virus as time goes by?
complications? yes, the economy is fouled up in every direction because of a mortality rate equal to the regular, yearly flu.

We don’t actually know how it affects children but it is beginning to emerge that it may not be as simple as we think.
maybe they should be given a double dose of the upcoming vaccine... just in case the first dose isnt enough.
 

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Exactly.

If you are on this site and haven't figured out that this virus is a psy-op to enact total control and tyranny (see contact tracing and forced vaccination)under the guise of a "medical crisis" , you really need to stop watching CNN.

There are several doctors, virologists, epidemiologists, immunologists that are being silenced for speaking out against the so called "official" narrative. I have posted several of those videos in this thread. Do yourself a favor and become informed as this will effect not only you, but your family and everyone you know.
It’s because the cdc changed symptoms.
WHO and states came out saying they over exaggerated statistics or under exaggerated.

I don’t even know what to believe going forward with this. Part me is wary, hoping it’s not real. Part of me also feels it’s turned into a political ploy. Well on US soil anyways
 

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I feel like we are on candid camera and they’re just messing with us.:cool:
I thought we are supposed to listen to the health professionals ??? Just make sure you check in daily for the ever-changing ordinance.... I didn’t know science was so wishy-washy.
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It’s because the cdc changed symptoms.
WHO and states came out saying they over exaggerated statistics or under exaggerated.

I don’t even know what to believe going forward with this. Part me is wary, hoping it’s not real. Part of me also feels it’s turned into a political ploy. Well on US soil anyways
A good psy-op is meant to create cognitive dissonance. They tell us one thing and then they tell us another...that's by design. It is meant to confuse, divide and break us down...until we don't know what to think anymore.
That's why I don't watch TV, so I can keep my eye on the ball.
 

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People complaining about "being forced to wear a mask" should grow some balls, honestly. It won't hurt you to wear a mask, so why be so selfish to the point of refusing to wear one?
 

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We should have a choice. And I call BS.
I'm not talking about taking individual liberties away, all I'm pointing is that some people act as if wearing a mask would kill them. It's uncomfortable of course, but it's just a mask, it won't hurt you. Some people only care about themselves tho and don't see that their reckless actions may affect others. In this case, if you have COVID-19 but don't know because you are either asymptomatic or have light symptoms only and you don't wear a mask, you may get other people infected and it might costs them their lives.
 
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I'm not talking about taking individual liberties away, all I'm pointing is that some people act as if wearing a mask would kill them. It's uncomfortable of course, but it's just a mask, it won't hurt you. Some people only care about themselves tho and don't see that their reckless actions my affect others. In this case, if you have COVID-19 but don't know because you are either asymptomatic or have light symptoms only and you don't wear a mask, you may get other people infected and it might costs them their lives.
The asymptomatic boogie man again. Ok, let's roll with it. How long do the healthy have to alter their lives?
 

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The asymptomatic boogie man again.
It's not any boogeyman, tho
www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1215481

How long do the healthy have to alter their lives?
See, that's what I said. Selfishness.
Everybody is healthy, until they aren't anymore. Sometimes all it takes is a contact with someone/something that is contamined to infect a person. That's why prevention is so important, and that means we have to do our part as well, be it practicing social distancing or simply wearing a mask. If you only think about the challanges and the discomfort that you have to face, you'll fail to see the challenges and the hurt the whole society is facing. You're part of this and you have to play your part if you want things to get better.
 

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People complaining about "being forced to wear a mask" should grow some balls, honestly. It won't hurt you to wear a mask, so why be so selfish to the point of refusing to wear one?
It’s what the mask represents..fear. You got to the store and there’s fear in the air and that does something to a persons psyche to live like that. So ya, it does hurt you to wear a mask. And if we are staying 6ft away from each other why do we need the mask? Why do we need to do both? Have a mask and stay 6ft away? Can’t those masks work up close? If not why do we need to wear them anyway?
 

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6 feet isn't even enough social distance to avoid respiratory droplets anyway.

I read one report (briefly). About a doctor's theory that Covid-19 is spreading through aerosols. Which if true, renders the mask completely useless. Given the rates of transmission, I think the aerosol theory holds water.

In other related news. The WHO has recommended healthy people *not* to wear masks. Unless they are in direct contact with Covid-19 patients. Of course, this contradicts the CDC, who albeit have already changed their position multiple times.
 

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What we thought anti-viral PPE would look like...



What it actually looks like.

I actually have to agree with you lol, they should have been shipping hazmat suits to every home. This shit is definately airborne
 

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6 feet isn't even enough social distance to avoid respiratory droplets anyway.

I read one report (briefly). About a doctor's theory that Covid-19 is spreading through aerosols. Which if true, renders the mask completely useless. Given the rates of transmission, I think the aerosol theory holds water.

In other related news. The WHO has recommended healthy people *not* to wear masks. Unless they are in direct contact with Covid-19 patients. Of course, this contradicts the CDC, who albeit have already changed their position multiple times.
A person can spit 6ft away while talking?
 
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