Who do Muslims really worship?

[Nikōn]

Christianity is the religion of the OT.

I see you've been practicing to be a stand up comedian, very impressive.

 

[Nikōn]

Rabbinic judaism is the religion of the Pharisees as they've admitted many times.

The Pharisees are the predominant 1st century Jewish sect, yes.
They are also framed as villains by the New Testament writers, yet Islam is not the same towards Christianity even though it refutes you in the manner that Jesus refutes the Pharisees on certain matters.

The Samaritans had similar arguments against the Jews, who had similar arguments against the Christians, who have similar arguments against the Muslims.

 

[Bubbajay]

I see you've been practicing to be a stand up comedian, very impressive.

It proves you haven't read the Old Testament.

 

[Bubbajay]

The Pharisees are the predominant 1st century Jewish sect, yes.
They are also framed as villains by the New Testament writers, yet Islam is not the same towards Christianity even though it refutes you in the manner that Jesus refutes the Pharisees on certain matters.

Yes, that's why both are enemies of the gospel as stated.

 

[Nikōn]

It proves you haven't read the Old Testament.

Behind the fallacious veneer, what you actually mean is that the New Testament authors quote the Old Testament as 'proofs' for their claims. (which merely amounts to that the NT authors are trying to argue their case while telling their story)

 

[Nikōn]

Yes, that's why both are enemies of the gospel as stated.

Just as your username suggests, this is what you are literally doing:

 

[Bubbajay]

Behind the fallacious veneer, what you actually mean is that the New Testament authors quote the Old Testament as 'proofs' for their claims.

Not only that, but the feasts, the stories, and the prophets are all a foreshadowing of Jesus. An example is the story of Jonah and how he was three days and nights in the belly of the whale is a picturing of how Jesus was in the heart of the earth for three days and nights. Another is Noah's Ark how all who entered the door (Jesus said I'm the door) were saved. Yet another would be Passover where anyone who had the blood sprinkled over their door were saved. The blood on the door represents the blood of Jesus Christ that cleanses of sin, and I already mentioned the door.

 

[Bubbajay]

Just as your username suggests, this is what you are literally doing:

So be it. I don't care about pleasing people at the detriment of God.

 

[Nikōn]

Not only that, but the feasts, the stories, and the prophets are all a foreshadowing of Jesus. An example is the story of Jonah and how he was three days and nights in the belly of the whale is a picturing of how Jesus was in the heart of the earth for three days and nights. Another is Noah's Ark how all who entered the door (Jesus said I'm the door) were saved. Yet another would be Passover where anyone who had the blood sprinkled over their door were saved. The blood on the door represents the blood of Jesus Christ that cleanses of sin, and I already mentioned the door.

What you fail to comprehend is that this is New Testament theological commentary upon Old Testament texts, not Old Testament theology and the texts themselves.
These are not the same.

 

[Nikōn]

So be it. I don't care about pleasing people at the detriment of God.

Or more accurately, you don't care about pleasing God at the detriment of your carnal desires which rule over you like a rod of iron.

 

[Bubbajay]

What you fail to comprehend is that this is New Testament theological commentary upon Old Testament texts, not Old Testament theology and the texts themselves.
These are not the same.

I don't read commentaries, but common sense would tell us ant NT commentary would come afterward. And yes it is OT theology that's preached in every independent Baptists church in America. Its theology that's been taught longer than Islam has been around.

 

[Bubbajay]

Or more accurately, you don't care about pleasing God at the detriment of your carnal desires which rule over you like a rod of iron.

Carnal desires? What I'm talking about is spiritual, that's why you don't understand it. Spiritual matters are spiritually discerned. You don't have the Spirit of God, therefore you cannot discern them.

 

[Nikōn]

Carnal desires? What I'm talking about is spiritual

Did I stutter?

 

[seekinheart]

Antichrist/Antichristian

Antisemite/Antisemitism


Is there a point you are trying to make here?

Never heard the Christians ones in pop culture.

 

[Nikōn]

I don't read commentaries

Yet here you are claiming to have read the Bible.

but common sense would tell us ant NT commentary would come afterward.

That is what is important here.

 

[Nikōn]

Never heard the Christians ones in pop culture.

You haven't payed any attention then.

 

[seekinheart]

The paradox here is that to a Samaritan and to a Jew, the same kind of logic applies to Jesus and they reject him under similar kinds of logic (except they're less hysterical about it).
I think the Christian argument about Islam makes a lot of case about the Samaritan argument against Judaism and the Jewish argument against Christianity.
As for the moral argument, that can often amount to simple misrepresentation much of the time. But in terms of the Prophets of the Old Testament, I think Joshua Son Of Nun and King David are rather case in point that within Biblical representation you are lying.
But representing any of these figures in this way is just disrespectful and indicative that you don't really even believe in the Prophets in the first place.

Which David and Joshua is that because according to the Qur'an they didn't commit the sins attributed to them ?

Your argument is silly because Jesus was a fulfilment of MANY prophecies. Where is Muhammad or anyone like him, prophecied in the Bible ? And please don't use the comforter passage *facepalm*

The other argument is. Jesus doctrine was a step up from the OT laws. Muhammad is a complete devolvement of any sort of moral law Jesus preached. (Beside any perceived supposed degeneracy into the "pagan trinity". )

P.s. your hijab is showing

 

[Nikōn]

Which David and Joshua is that

I am talking from the perspective of the Bible which sees these figures as fallible, sinful figures that still find the favor, blessing and destiny of God.

Your argument is silly because Jesus was a fulfilment of MANY prophecies.

To the mind of a Christian solely, then you would just nod your head thinking that you have a point there but to a Samaritan and to a Jew, they would see your reasoning as innately flawed, even more than you see of Muslims.

P.s. your hijab is showing

To be frank, I am more convinced by the Samaritans because they are the only group that actually follow the Torah. Judaism comprises of reforms (with Temples and then with ceasing animal sacrifice), whereas Christianity abrogated Torah entirely (and actually completely opposed it). Islam on the other hand has it's own epistemological point with it's own revelation outside of that paradigm.

The Samaritans are more convincing to me because they are able to treat the Torah as a thing in itself and live off it's blessings rather than adding to it.

 

[seekinheart]

I am talking from the perspective of the Bible which sees these figures as fallible, sinful figures that still find the favor, blessing and destiny of God.



To the mind of a Christian solely, then you would just nod your head thinking that you have a point there but to a Samaritan and to a Jew, they would see your reasoning as innately flawed, even more than you see of Muslims.



To be frank, I am more convinced by the Samaritans because they are the only group that actually follow the Torah. Judaism comprises of reforms (with Temples and then with ceasing animal sacrifice), whereas Christianity abrogated Torah entirely. Islam on the other hand has it's own epistemological point with it's own revelation outside of that paradigm.

The Samaritans are more convincing to me because they are able to treat the Torah as a thing as itself and live off it's blessings rather than adding to it.

What I find strange is before the Torah there was no law. There is your dispensationalism. Tribes like the midians etc, God winking at pagans ignorance. The Torah was not some established law. Apparently that thinking doesn't extend to Christ. I see alot of illogicality in that.

 

[Bubbajay]

Did I stutter?

Are you claiming Psychic powers of some sort? So you claim to know of my personal sins by reading my posts about spiritual issues?