Kpop Satanic/Illuminati Influence

[Strawberrypie]

Law who??

Auto correct I meant Ka1.

 

[arhur12]

Auto correct I meant Ka1.

who B@ek or T@e??
Anyways if you're interested in him you'll like my detailed post on the symbolism in his MVs and how it is related to MK ultra and illuminati stuff. but I must say from what I have observed Ka1 from the symbolism he shows in his solo Mvs it appears to me that he really is a T@emin copycat now whether it is essem making him copy his bestie or his own choice that I don't know of but T@e's solo concept was that his solo persona was a criminal who steals people's hearts and when I checked lyrics of ka1's mmmh he is a criminal who is trying to steal a girl's heart then T@e's concept for Press it was Narcissus and ka1 did that concept for peaches and T@e's concept for IDEA was Plato's theory of forms and ka1 showed symbolism of Plato's theory of forms in his Vanilla Film prologue a coincidence?? or he is really copying his bestie?? does essem wanna replace t@e with him??? the only difference between them is T@e added religious symbolism to all his concepts.

 

[lilyofthevalleys]

Do you think she started out as a victim but has now become a handler?? I read that one of her main job was to take care of young artist's "Mental Health" which sounds pretty sus and the controversy surrounding GOT kind of made me dislike her because I think her being a creative director at 5m as well as being the leader of GOT she would have enough control to say no I am a Sh@wol and Sh1nee members have said no or fought with 5m over creative decisions many times and had to suffer the consequences as well in the form of piss poor promos so I think someone of her caliber would definitely have a say. Also did she ever have a mental breakdown?? or any news about depression, panic, bipolar any symbolism about MK Ultra in her Mvs or performances. Any other hints or something else that you think could be a signal for her fans to save her?? I always thought she was like the MJ of kpop because she popularized the whole thing and her dancing style comes the closest to MJ and Janet Jackson at times even more so than T@emin

Oh for sure. She was one of the first to climb the ladder. Around 2008 the cracks started to show. America and cross promotions in Japan drained her. I remember her always looking so exhausted during that time. In 2010 she cut her hair and got a huge tattoo of her initial surronded by angels over each shoulder and a tattoo of her baptismal name over the scar that was left after she broke her wrist in 2009.

I believe these were cries for help. She grew up a devout Catholic and with these tattoos it seemed like she was trying to come back to Christ. She came back to Korea after 5 years with her hair dyed blonde and so much one eye symbolism with other gestures. it has been a wrap since then.

She hasn't had big public breakdowns but there has been times where if you paid attention it looked like something wasn't right.

 

[lilyofthevalleys]

There are a few 0new mysteries like: He was part of the "milk club"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1425445073479630848

Which sounds oddly exclusionary to be a club about helping other people overcome depression? So it feels like it was... a cover for something else. Someone here once said that the leaders are chosen not necessarily because they are good leaders, but because they will follow the overall goal of the company. And considering what we know and think of SM...

Also there was a time in late 2011 through 2012 where basically every member in shin33 was having "problems" with 0new, and it seemed like he and Jj0ng were having the worst problems (because Jj0ng absolutely cannot hide his distaste for anything) and we never figured out what the friction was. Fans at the time believed 0new wanted to leave the industry. But... they just eventually went back to normal in 2013... but! 2013 was also when I believe Jj0ng underwent some programming/reprogramming so...

This sounds like a cult. Plain and simple. Gives me the creeps.

 

[arhur12]

Oh for sure. She was one of the first to climb the ladder. Around 2008 the cracks started to show. America and cross promotions in Japan drained her. I remember her always looking so exhausted during that time. In 2010 she cut her hair and got a huge tattoo of her initial surronded by angels over each shoulder and a tattoo of her baptismal name over the scar that was left after she broke her wrist in 2009.

I believe these were cries for help. She grew up a devout Catholic and with these tattoos it seemed like she was trying to come back to Christ. She came back to Korea after 5 years with her hair dyed blonde and so much one eye symbolism with other gestures. it has been a wrap since then.

She hasn't had big public breakdowns but there has been times where if you paid attention it looked like something wasn't right.

I looked into her stuff and I feel she was reprogrammed some time between her American promos and her return to korea

 

[lilyofthevalleys]

Am I the only one who finds it weird that no member of Girl's Generation (SNSD) has had a child..?

Like with this thread I get why but i'd think at least one member would, SK is still a 'traditional or conservative' society.

Even western artists still get around and be active publicly but they get that it's harder to give birth when you're older and have kids - in or out of wedlock!

I've always found it strange as well. SK has low birthrates but in general it's even lower for idols or singers. Throughout my years I can count pregnancy rumors on one hand.

I've noticed that many idols don't really have the average body type for their "genders". The women are extremely slender with no uterus bump on their stomachs, no hips and wide shoulders. Make of that what you will.

I've noticed that the ones who happened to be body shamed in the past for not being the stick thin types are the ones who actually became mothers. Makes you wonder

 

[Strawberrypie]

who B@ek or T@e??
Anyways if you're interested in him you'll like my detailed post on the symbolism in his MVs and how it is related to MK ultra and illuminati stuff. but I must say from what I have observed Ka1 from the symbolism he shows in his solo Mvs it appears to me that he really is a T@emin copycat now whether it is essem making him copy his bestie or his own choice that I don't know of but T@e's solo concept was that his solo persona was a criminal who steals people's hearts and when I checked lyrics of ka1's mmmh he is a criminal who is trying to steal a girl's heart then T@e's concept for Press it was Narcissus and ka1 did that concept for peaches and T@e's concept for IDEA was Plato's theory of forms and ka1 showed symbolism of Plato's theory of forms in his Vanilla Film prologue a coincidence?? or he is really copying his bestie?? does essem wanna replace t@e with him??? the only difference between them is T@e added religious symbolism to all his concepts.

Tae and that's sad if his friend is copying him. He's a genius and LSM is using his ideas. Ka1 doesn't seem like he's doing it on purpose but following orders. I can't wait to read your analysis.

 

[arhur12]

Explaining MK Ultra Influence in KPOP PART 3 SM Entertainment The factory for Manufacturing Industry Slaves

Ok so first off I want to be clear when I am talking about MK I don't mean a magical ritual or occultic practice that suddenly turns these idols into different people the truth is that when a person is put through intense pressure, made to follow strict diet, act a certain way, told how to speak, how to look from a very young age then the person can develop a lot of mental health issues. These idols live life like slaves they are told what to do, how to do it, when to do it and so when they out in the real world they are unable to understand what to do with life, how to get through situations in life?? the industry turns them into mind controlled victims.

THE SM FORMULA OF PRODUCING IDOLS WHAT IS THE ALTER EGO (AE)???

Ok now moving on to 5m entertainment who started it all they introduced the trainee system and started the trend of producing idols. 5m works on the formula of creating fake facades for these kids to make them more appealing to the market they create these roles for them like for TVXQ they were given the Title "The rising gods of the east" Suju were people who could travel anywhere, GG are "goddesses of Sound" Sh1nee were the were the light bearers or "Five angels of light" F(x) were "Forces of Physics" X-0 the aliens who came from x-0 planet with superpowers etc and they must act like the characters in a movie they must put on the facade 24/7 to the point some of these people start losing themselves. One other thing essem does is that it tells these idols that their stage personas are what they should be like in real life they should aspire to be like the character they play the character is considered as a different entity residing inside these people which only comes out in the moments when they are on stage so it's like training their minds to create alters. This is something these idols have talked about like KA1 in this video

Ka1 is not his real name or personality it is the alter ego the stage persona. These idols are taught to love their stage persona to treat them as "Saviors" it is promoting a kind of narcissism in the person which consumes their real personality completely so what's left is just the stage persona without which the person feels like an empty shell.

LOVING THE ALTER EGO PROOF FROM 5M ARTIST'S MUSIC:

1- J0nghyun's Monodrama a love letter to his alter ego
monodrama is a drama acted by a single person in monodrama j0nghyun talks about his alter ego the idol j0nghyun who is a wonderful person with no flaws but the real jj0ng is weak and depressed and lonely,

jj0ng was a sensitive person he got tired of putting on the mask of perfect jj0ng always looking happy while his depression was killing him inside he talked about his insecurities and desire to live without a mask on mnet 4 things show and also his suicide note now whether someone believes in MK Ultra and Sacrifice theories or not you can't deny the idea of this perfect alter ego that he has to become him destroyed him inside and as years passed he started to lose interest in being a kpop idol focusing more on his radio show. I believe eventually this rebellion, not wanting to accept the alter ego is what led to his murder/elimination because he was no of use of essem anymore as he wouldn't push anymore of their agendas and could expose them in future.
2-Sull1's Goblin
This one is self-explanatory since sull1 herself told the story of her programming in this Mv herself how the abuse she went through created different identities in her and how the programming destroyed her life and made her want to end her life.
3- Suh0's Self Portrait

Self-portrait is like monodrama suh0 talks about being in love with his alter ego drawing a portrait a perfect portrait again and again and falling in love with the reflection of himself
4- Kai
Now Ka1 is fairly simple to understand because as posted above also his stage name represents his alter ego now moving on to his Solo MVs and concepts the Film Ka1 is pretty revealing

we begin with him facing a mirror. As we know mirrors mean alters then he is shown in bath tub which means initiation as well as them being used by the elites, then we see him dancing with a shadow which is his alter ego and hello stranger plays in the back which is also a song about him meeting his alter ego, the entire MV ka1 is teleporting from one place to another because in X-0 universe he has the power of teleportation and there are mirrors representing his alter ego in different forms

Moving on to the 2nd Album he released he is using a mix of plato's theory of forms and Narcissus symbolism in this (interesting both these concepts were used by his bestie T@emin before so is he trying to take his place?) so Narcissus was an entity in greek mythology that when he saw his own reflection in the water he fell in love with himself this is promoting the narcissism and falling in love with his alter ego concept. The second symbolism is from Plato's theory of forms or to be more precise the Allegory of cave which I'll just copy paste from Wikipedia here
In the allegory "The Cave," Socrates describes a group of people who have lived chained to the wall of a cave all their lives, facing a blank wall. The people watch shadows projected on the wall from objects passing in front of a fire behind them and give names to these shadows. The shadows are the prisoners' reality, but are not accurate representations of the real world. The shadows represent the fragment of reality that we can normally perceive through our senses, while the objects under the sun represent the true forms of objects that we can only perceive through reason. Socrates explains how the philosopher is like a prisoner who is freed from the cave and comes to understand that the shadows on the wall are actually not the direct source of the images seen. A philosopher aims to understand and perceive the higher levels of reality. However, the other inmates of the cave do not even desire to leave their prison, for they know no better life.[1]
so in this he shows himself imitating his shadow the alter ego in the cave and then he is led to the light by a woman which in my opinion represents illuminati/Freemason bcz he is again shown in a bathtub for his MV so "she" is taking to him a place where he can become his perfect self become one with his Alter ego.

 

[arhur12]

Explaining MK Ultra Influence in KPOP PART 4 What is going on with T@emin??

T@emin is a controversial figure in kpop he has been the elites' favorite since a long time but if you dive deep into the symbolism in his MVs you'll realize there is a story he is telling and it appears that once considered one of the loyalist puppets of the freemasons/Illuminati he has slowly been going off rails trying to break free which eventually led to him having a classic MK Ultra mental breakdown in the military recently. His MVs by far had the most symbolism explaining the MK Ultra programming and helps connects the dots about the AE concept in kpop.

So let's begin with his origins first. Debuting at 14 in Sh1nee he wasn't actually essem's original favourite kpop boy L33 freemason wanted GD as already explained in GD's solo post but when LSM couldn't get him he tried to get J@ejoong of TVXQ but J@ejoong also turned out to be a rebel who left essem in 2009 after JYJ lawsuit then they turned to jj0nghyun to make him their golden boy but it was his younger bandmate who got choosen to be the actual golden boy in the end. T@emin has said in the past that he wanted to debut as a solo artist he has expressed desire to be an artist who leaves a mark on the world and this dream of his was exploited by essem. Essem started to groom him first he was humiliated by putting him in feminine clothes making him do the gender bending like bo@ after that we had the 2011 internet war performance where he was initiated in the cult along with jjong in the performance we saw the both of them wear handcuffs showing that they have been initiated in the cult. Then in 2012 we saw T@emin Starting to be paired up with Bo@ the Queen as he danced with her in Only One and later appeared as her lover in her disturbance MV this was Bo@ grooming him to become a puppet of the industry and around this time he started gaining more lines and screentime in sh1nee MVs as he climbed up the ladder he was also groomed by his other seniors like when he appeared in Henry's trap and debuted in 5m's performance group Younique. Then in 2014 he is launched as a solo being the first and youngest 5m male soloist 5m publicly calls him their "ACE" showing he is high ranking and he instantly gets compared to GD fulfilling essem's desire of having their own version of GD. Around this time he starts gaining interest of Ra1n too who was one of his idol inspiration and who he later shared a Hoobae-Sunbae relationship too so he received the blessing of the higher ups in the industry.
Now coming towards the MK Ultra symbolism part for his solo debut essem assigned him the role of "A Thief who steals people's heart" this is important because this theme repeats 6 years later in criminal where he shows his alter ego as a "Criminal" and this is also why at the beginning of press your number his alter ego robs a bank. Now, moving to press it era the concept for this album was Narcissus as explained before in ka1's part in the previous posts however T@e uses this in a different sense what is interesting is during press it era he shared his spotify playlist with fans and it contained the song called "Narcissistic Cannibal" by k0rn which according to the leader singer of the song is ablut:
"It's about me watching people who are so narcissistic destroy themselves. They basically eat themselves alive because of their narcissism. That's the gist of the story."
Thus the theme of T@e's press your number was also about how his narcissism his love for this alter ego superstar persona essem created is consuming his innocent self in Press it we see him with his hands tied under a piano In a recent interview T@e revealed that for him the Piano represents his musical identity so him being shown like that sends the message that his artistic side is being held back because of his idol persona the alter ego has trapped him in a place where he can't express himself like he wants to but he has to do what the elites' want him to do

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1397391195052068869

This was the first sign of him showing signs of rebellion or wanting to break free from his idol persona but then he comes out with door where he sings
You don’t need to know everything
My everything, what about it do you want to know?
Everything (No, not everything)
Even I don’t know, besides myself that’s here right now
Can’t tell you everything
Where I’m headed
So baby don’t open the door
Cause you can never close the door
Door is about him not wanting to expose his weaknesses in front of the world he was afraid of coming off as a weak person so he accepted the false idol persona made for him because he cannot love his real self which is imperfect and flawed.
Next, he releases Move filled with Satanic gender bending agenda which shows that he is still not willing to try to break free. Move became a huge hit and started the trend of feminine clothing and dance and made him elites' favorite so he enjoys the fame forgetting about any kind of rebellion. But then that same year j0nghyun dies is sacrificed/murdered.
And T@e goes on a hiatus jj0ng's death triggers a change in T@e and we begin to see a repetitive theme of struggling with his alter ego appear in his music it first appears in Pinnochio which was co-written and co-written for the show "The Call" here he shows a desire to return to his innocent self showing that he is starting to become tired of the alter ego, the False Idol mask he has to wear all the time and how he wishes people see through his lies.

then comes under my skin where he sings
"I couldn’t love myself properly
There was a part in me that was
Unnecessary and far from my ideal self
And I broke it myself by force
So now I reach my hand
Only your warmth melts my cold heart
That I’ve kept hiding under my skin
The real me I’ve never shown anyone and can’t let out anywhere
Please hold me tonight"
Showing a change of heart from Door where he talked about not wanting to open the door but here he talks about wanting to expose his real weak self that has been hiding under the Perfect persona of the idol T@emin

 

[arhur12]

Next we get Want which is very satanic but it shows him as literally "Lucifer" calling his Fans towards a path to hell.........I don't know how awake he is but him showing us his idol persona being the devil calling people towards hell should be enough of a clue for us "woke" people to understand what this industry is actually about

The interesting symbolism here is on 0:13 mark where there is a flash of "The Vitruvian Man" which is also considered the representation of Baphomet the human being with perfect proportions who is not a man nor a woman but a balance of both. Thus giving a clue about why all idols are forced to do the gender bending agenda they are trying to imitate the "Vitruvian Man" or Baphomet and the plastic surgery is to reach "Perfect Proportions" This too is very strange for me why he would be showing the symbolism so blatantly in a MV and how did essem entertainment let him do it because any "Woke" person who sees this will understand instantly what the kpop industry is about i-e worshipping satan. If you read the lyrics keeping in mind the symbolism it is very easy to understand that he's literally telling his fans that I am a puppet of Satan and once you get interested in me I will make you want more of my content and I will be taking you to hell with me.
However moving on next release is Famous which again talks about his struggles with fame like discussed in Pinnochio before the important

TAEMIN - Famous (Korean Version) (English translation)

TAEMIN - Famous (Korean Version) lyrics (English, Korean) + English translatio

lyricstranslate.com

The important thing here is the lines
The veils hides me again.
I'm gonna go even more crazy tonight.
This veil is important because it represents veil brides wear on marriage so this veil which hides him i-e the curtain between his real self and what he shows to fans it represents his contract his marriage with the devil. The veil appears at the start of criminal again hiding the real him there is really nothing to explain in criminal since it is just a confession that he is a slave of the industry and his own desire to be famous puts him in a situation where he doesn't mind being abused by the satanic industry if it gives him fame.
The next release is IDEA this one is which goes towards blasphemy at times but looking purely at the message this is criminal T@emin trying to find redemption for his sins again the veil symbolism appears but this time the veil is being lifted and we see him in clothes resembling a priest. IDEA was about creating a new "Ego" for himself thus it is him killing the previous AE created by essem and creating a new ego which is his real self. The Messiah in this is the Alter ego not the real Messiah as discussed in previous posts these idols are taught that they must love their alter egos like they are their saviors the important lines in the lyrics are
My my IDEA My my IDEA
The dangerous dream that swallowed me
Is proven by you
This thrill deep in my heart
You are my messiah (Killing me softly)
On the night I cut you out from my heart
(Killing me softly Killing me softly)
Finally I open the eyes
here he realizes that this persona he thinks is his Messiah the alter ego his dream of perfection is killing him softly This was about Plato's theory of forms and here he is realizing that he has been trapped in a cave due to his idol persona and he must come out of it if he wants to become an artist true to himself. At the end he talks about cutting this alter ego outside of him making him open his eyes so this is basically the point where he breaks free from the MK Ultra programming done by essem and I believe the use of religious symbolism in the MV and him shown being "cleansed by angel" shows that he is being purified of the devil's influence because there are clues in his next EP which point to him wanting to find his way back to Christ
The final release before going to the military service and having a classic MK Ultra mental breakdown is Advice
where we see repeat of veils but this time the veil doesn't hide him anymore because he broke his marriage with the devil
The blurted out words without a filter, no, oh, oh, oh
Even the veil that hides the smile inside the glass mask is lost, oh, oh, oh
We see him with taking off his mask which was shown suffocating him. The marks on his bodies are the real self of his behind the idea of having the "perfect body" of the idol there are marks of abuse by the industry. He uses two stereotypes "THE BABY" and the "FEMINIZED MAN" image in the MV for himself showing the two boxes he was put under by the industry all his life and Tells the elites that he will shoot away their advice as he doesn't want to be controlled anymore. The white paint he has in the end of the MV is a symbol for redemption it covers the black marks which represent corruption and sin
The very next release on the Advice EP gives us even more clues that he is trying to rebel because "Light" is a song containing lines such as "Unfold stories of finding the light" and "In the endless darkness a path unfolds in front of me" that this song has biblical connotations and here he talks about being swallowed by the light while back in famous's lyrics he was swallowed by the shadow so back then he was consumed by dsrkness when he was a puppet but here he is trying to find his way back to God here he talks about regaining his colors and in advice he talks about the industry's abuse making him lose his colors

so now it makes perfect sense why T@e has been having issues in the military and getting piss poor promos and why he had the mental breakdown the clues were there in his MVs all along I don't know if he is perfectly awake but it does seem like he was resisting for a long time and now with the silence and mental health issues essem is probably gonna try to reprogram him We should pray that he survives his ordeals and that he doesn't come back a robot. Essem entertainment wanted to make him the male bo@ who because of the immense trauma and abuse she went through ended up accepting the satanic cult and has now become a high ranking person at Essem T@e was chosen by Essem to be be the face of their male S4per group Essem but he refused the offer of becoming a leader telling Essem that he doesn't want to be their "Yes man" this probably started his downfall with Essem sabotaging his comebacks and almost overworking him so much that he was having panic attacks and fainting a few days before the military.
Next posts will be about bt5 and carl jung's theory and how it fits with the themes of mind control and MK Ultra

 

[gettingedu]

So maybe we need to find out what milk symbolized. A lot of celebrities wore milk mustaches during this time. Remember that "GOT MILK" campaign? So who knows what it means?

Basically milk is this pure thing that babies drink helps with things in the body and has healing properties etc….and then they perverted it.
There something about “witches milk” but it was gross so I didn’t want to put the picture of what it is there

 

[randomcitizen]

Basically milk is this pure thing that babies drink helps with things in the body and has healing properties etc….and then they perverted it.
There something about “witches milk” but it was gross so I didn’t want to put the picture of what it is there

Interesting. What's the name of the book?

 

[arhur12]

Tae and that's sad if his friend is copying him. He's a genius and LSM is using his ideas. Ka1 doesn't seem like he's doing it on purpose but following orders. I can't wait to read your analysis.

It's probably essem making ka1 do it because the concepts were interpreted differently ka1 used symbolism from traditional art and mythology while T@e uses religious symbolism to express his message like I've discussed in the 5M entertainment post and T@e's 2 part posts separately in my MK Ultra series. Ka1 gives the impression of someone enjoying the narcissism of loving his idol persona while T@e has always shown himself being held back by it despite LSM's wish to make him their male Bo@ he has always disliked being an idol who has to put on a fake persona all the time like his hyung jj0ng who also remained in conflict because of his alternate personalities so ka1 may be more suited to becomee LSM's Yes man who has not shown any sign of disliking the idol mask till now and was even doing tiktoks with LSM showing his desire to please him.

However, among male idols he and Gdragon have been the most ripped off idols overall they basically birthed 50-60% idols of this generation which is ironic because both of them didn't even want to be idols and have disliked the idea of being a controlled slave of the industry and even if I dislike GDragon as a person but I must say he is a genius too it was sad making his solo post because he was so young his parents sold him to the entertainment industry he started working as merely 5 year old and look what the industry did to him I often think maybe he could be the guy from blind item too bcz he used to be an 5m trainee before and he was in the news in Nov 2020 because he announced his comeback.

 

[lilyofthevalleys]

It's probably essem making ka1 do it because the concepts were interpreted differently ka1 used symbolism from traditional art and mythology while T@e uses religious symbolism to express his message like I've discussed in the 5M entertainment post and T@e's 2 part posts separately in my MK Ultra series. Ka1 gives the impression of someone enjoying the narcissism of loving his idol persona while T@e has always shown himself being held back by it despite LSM's wish to make him their male Bo@ he has always disliked being an idol who has to put on a fake persona all the time like his hyung jj0ng who also remained in conflict because of his alternate personalities so ka1 may be more suited to becomee LSM's Yes man who has not shown any sign of disliking the idol mask till now and was even doing tiktoks with LSM showing his desire to please him.

However, among male idols he and Gdragon have been the most ripped off idols overall they basically birthed 50-60% idols of this generation which is ironic because both of them didn't even want to be idols and have disliked the idea of the being a controlled slave of the industry and even if I dislike GDragon as a person but I must say he is a genius too it was sad making his solo post because he was so young his parents sold him to the entertainment industry started working as merely 5 year old and look what the industry did to him I often think maybe he could be the guy from blind item too bcz he used to be an 5m trainee before and he was in the news in Nov 2020 because he announced his comeback.

Thank you for your analysis. They were great reads! I must add, the "killing me" part in tæmin's song Idea was sung by you guessed it Bo@ .

In the mv for Disturbance, he plays her husband. They are always linked in someway or another. Personally I think it's a mutual cover but with ulterior motives from essem. Tæmin has always given me a gay vibe and I am 99% Bo@ is as well.

 

[loginine]

There are a few 0new mysteries like: He was part of the "milk club"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1425445073479630848

Which sounds oddly exclusionary to be a club about helping other people overcome depression? So it feels like it was... a cover for something else. Someone here once said that the leaders are chosen not necessarily because they are good leaders, but because they will follow the overall goal of the company. And considering what we know and think of SM...

Also there was a time in late 2011 through 2012 where basically every member in shin33 was having "problems" with 0new, and it seemed like he and Jj0ng were having the worst problems (because Jj0ng absolutely cannot hide his distaste for anything) and we never figured out what the friction was. Fans at the time believed 0new wanted to leave the industry. But... they just eventually went back to normal in 2013... but! 2013 was also when I believe Jj0ng underwent some programming/reprogramming so...

Do you think the leaders of these groups get training to be handlers? I feel like they may use them to keep the others in line especially if many don’t want to participate in the r1tu@ls.

 

[loginine]

Sulli Blind Item

They timed it in such a way that it was 666 days after Jjong.

Interesting don't you think? So these artists are coerced into paying up but the intention is not for money but to sacrifice them.

I wonder how many more artists live in the fear of being exposed and have to keep paying up.


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This is true. If the artist doesn’t do what they want, they can expose you through dispatch. They have their hand in everything. That’s why some have scandals and reputations ruined.

 

[queen82]

Sunmi comeback teaser, the all seing eye pose at the beginning, plus she looks kinda sad :

 

[arhur12]

Thank you for your analysis. They were great reads! I must add, the "killing me" part in tæmin's song was sung by you guessed it Bo@ .

In the mv for Disturbance, he plays her husband. They are always linked in someway or another. Personally I think it's a mutual cover but with ulterior motives from essem. Tæmin has always given me a gay vibe and I am 99% Bo@ is as well.

And he plays her lover/consort for her 20th Anniversary performance at MAMA and they had him cover her part in Hope when she couldn't appear because of her drug scandal. 5m sure likes to pair them up which is weird since T@e is like 7-8 years younger than her and she's closer to U-know IRL.
what was she like in the era they started to dress her up in tomboy clothes did she express disdain for it or was she fine with gender bending thing?? because T@e used to be very vocal about disliking the gender bending, and gay fanservice thing there was even a phase between 2013-2014 where after turning into an adult he was trying hard to act like an alpha male it's only 2017 where he started to do the gender bending thing out of his own will so I believe he was born straight male but after being forced to dress and act feminine all those years he might've developed interest in men too but I don't stan Bo@ so I don't know if it was same for her didn't she have a scandal with an actor?? maybe she is Bi too.
I don't hate Bo@ she was very young and she was clearly sold by her parents it is very hard to get out once you get in she identifies as a Catholic and claims she is devout so she may have some hope for her left we should pray for her to find her way back to God

 

[arhur12]

Yeah I don’t hate him at all, I think I just find it strange with his behavior because nobody thinks something is troubling. They keep forcing the “overly happy” persona on him when he is the complete opposite, but not many fans will cater to that. They just want what they want. He is one of my biases but I do not fully try to like them because of my religion. With his nee comeback, I don’t think he will break free any soon. I believe you’re right with his submissive personality that makes him so easy to be able to follow and do something without judgement, but it is like he is a people pleaser as well. Even though it pains him to where he wants to die or use different coping mechanisms, he is going to go along with it because I feel he really thinks he does not have a way out. I do pray for him to have peace.


Yeah I don’t hate him at all, I think I just find it strange with his behavior because nobody thinks something is troubling. They keep forcing the “overly happy” persona on him when he is the complete opposite, but not many fans will cater to that. They just want what they want. He is one of my biases but I do not fully try to like them because of my religion. With his nee comeback, I don’t think he will break free any soon. I believe you’re right with his submissive personality that makes him so easy to be able to follow and do something without judgement, but it is like he is a people pleaser as well. Even though it pains him to where he wants to die or use different coping mechanisms, he is going to go along with it because I feel he really thinks he does not have a way out. I do pray for him to have peace.

My opinions on K3y, I am confused about. I feel like he plays the games to his advantage as much as he can, but I saw a different side to him when it came to the creation of Bad Love and how he was not able to be his true self, and how he cried. I don’t know the intentions he has when he talks about Jj0ng, sometimes it can come acrosd in a different way but likeI had thought before but at the end of the day we truly do not know how any of the members feel. That has got to traumatize someone. I feel like he has to repress himself in a way.

M1nh0 I am not really sure about. I think he is confusing because with the passing of his grandfather, and how he soon gained a lot of deals with television and radio programs, I just am not sure. I don’t know whether he was forced or what, but I don’t dislike him. I actually think he is a kind spirit. I have no hate towards any members, I actually do like them. It doesn’t stop me though from looking at the reality of exactly what they do instead of what they try to show and sell to people.

I'll tell you about my opinions on each member
I feel 0new might not have received love and care from his family during childhood. Sometimes when children are not loved properly they develop self-esteem issues in their adulthood also I think he felt he was inferior to jj0ng because jj0ng shined more in interviews and was also the one who did all of their iconic high notes. I remember reading on tumblr that 0new had written a letter in which he said he felt jealous of jj0ng and wanted to be more like him that might be the reason why they had fights in 2012-13 period. So his low self-esteem could make him more easy to control.
Jj0ng and k3y both have self-esteem issues as well. jj0ng's probably stem from not having a good relationship with his father but he was a free spirit and very stubborn so he could rebel against essem still I must say jj0ng had a depressive nature some of us deny it maybe because we are biased but his song lyrics became progressively more and more depressive and there was a sense of hopelessness you can feel from his music like he didn't believe he could break free and survive his ordeals like the symbolism in lonely of succumbing himself to his fate which now makes me feel really sad some member posted that he could never commit suicide because he "Loved life so much" and I strongly disagree jj0ng's art tells a different story he felt trapped, lonely, depressed and hopeless and the proof is in his music he did show tendencies of wanting to give up life although I still strongly suspect he was murdered/eliminated.
K3y has same issues as jj0ng and what he said during Bad Love promos about not being true to himself and him putting on a facade of the diva is probably his way of coping with his self-esteem issues you know the speech about being a chicken between swans. However, K3y just seems to love the celebrity life I think he is an entertainer because he loves it and he knows how to play games to win in the dirty industry and he loves luxury, fashion, keeping up with trends etc so he might not try to break free in the sense that he completely retires but just leave essem or get himself to a position where he can be himself while still being in the industry.
I don't think m1nho is a rebellious type either he is kindhearted person I love how he is always supportive of his members but I think he is not the type who cares about breaking free. I also found it strange when in one variety show they said that m1nho along with U-Know was a candidate to become the next director or CEO at essem and they talked about him and U-know having long conversations with LSM after dinner parties which I found weird and suspicious since most of us would think it would be T@emin who LSM loves the most maybe because he is not really that talented so he would be ok to do what LSM wants from him. Him getting all promo after his grandfather passed away was indeed sus as well.
T@e I think he is the one who we have misunderstood the most because he is so withdrawn and closed off 5m's favoritism made things even more complicated and most of us thought he loves the fame. However, it's the opposite he absolutely does not love the celebrity life he is only there because he has a strong passion for music and dance he would be the one who I now see the most as wanting to have a peaceful life away from the glamour once he retires since all the people he is super close to outside of his very small group of friends are non-celebs. He doesn't have the self-esteem issues that jj0ng and k3y have because he has a very strong "Never give up" attitude and a desire for freedom but his perfectionist tendencies are a curse and he is afraid of being vulnerable in front of others so he will bottle up his feelings which makes him appear as very cold and often unsympathetic but we finally got a glimpse of the real T@emin during advice who is broken, lonely, depressed, and tired of putting on a fake mask of the star T@emin in public.

 

[arhur12]

Hey guys I just found out that those who are born on the date 4/9 are considered unlucky in eastern countries like Japan and Korea and Jj0ng was born on 4/8 so could there be a connection??