Recent absence in VC forums.

[90sWereBetter]

I have and yes you do...Problem is what? GOD is same in old testement as islam not? So whats point?

No, the Old Testament has many narrations that are not authentic. The Quran is not the same as OT. The NT is also very much not the same as the OT. Why do the OT and NT depict God so differently? The way God is depicted in OT is way different than how He is depicted in the NT.

 

[Maldarker]

The thing is why monotheism or tauheed make sense because it leaves no room for the divinity of humans. There is a bigger sect in Muslims , Shia'ites where they call Hazrat Ali A.S for help or his son's Imam Hassan AS & Imam Hussain AS (grandsons of Prophet Muhammad pbuh) which is considered as shirk that is to make others equal to God which is a sin. Hazrat Essa AS (Jesus Christ) is the messenger of Allah and is as holy as all the other prophets but he was a human just like other prophets. That's the basis of our faith so it comes up on this forum time and time again and the topic just can't be avoided.
And for the second part of your reply, I just want to say this in the end what if you'll came to know about the truth of Hazrat Muhammad (pbuh) being the last Prophet and true messenger of God opposite to whatever you are saying, we Muslims can't even think to say insulting things about Hazrat Essa(Jesus) nauzubillah except we just don't believe in his divinity, who will be in more loss?

But yet you do insult JESUS and thats the whole of the issue. Your "prophet" is damn near worshipped like a god but thats beside the point or how about the kabba stone no idols so why walk around a black rock seems very idol worshipy to me. And yet you can't see that JESUS is GOD in flesh but thats fine to each his own but then don't bash christians for believing what the gospel states.

As for who will be at more lose...well since CHRIST is KING of KINGS Lord of Lords going to say its you.

 

[Maldarker]

No, the Old Testament has many narrations that are not authentic. The Quran is not the same as OT. The NT is also very much not the same as the OT. Why do the OT and NT depict God so differently? The way God is depicted in OT is way different than how He is depicted in the NT.

OT deals with a nation NT deals with individuals
Besides since you have an issue with jews you should be glad to hear that they are the worse according to GOD but yet HE shows what can be done with a stiff necked people (lots of other bad words are used but think that gets the gist of it)

Oh and here we go the old testament narratives are not authentic and the quran is? LOL see i knew you would say that your playbook is starting to run out of plays bro!

 

[Maldarker]

No, the Old Testament has many narrations that are not authentic. The Quran is not the same as OT. The NT is also very much not the same as the OT. Why do the OT and NT depict God so differently? The way God is depicted in OT is way different than how He is depicted in the NT.

Also didnt say that the quran is the same as OT did I? read it again...I said GOD in OT is same as God in quran not?

 

[90sWereBetter]

Oh and here we go the old testament narratives are not authentic and the quran is? LOL see i knew you would say that your playbook is starting to run out of plays bro!

what. and yes, everything in the Quran is authentic. the Bible is full of tampering.

 

[90sWereBetter]

Also didnt say that the quran is the same as OT did I? read it again...I said GOD in OT is same as God in quran not?

No, God as depicted in the Quran is not the same as God as depicted in the OT.

 

[Maldarker]

No, God as depicted in the Quran is not the same as God as depicted in the OT.

So allah is not GOD then Sure seems to be a back track from what other muslims say hmm so whos lying???

Most mainstream Muslims would generally agree they worship the same God that Christians — or Jews — worship. So again whos lying?

 

[90sWereBetter]

So allah is not GOD then Sure seems to be a back track from what other muslims say hmm so whos lying???

Some of what is in the OT is not accurate. I don't consider "God" a name of Allah but some people do refer to Allah as God. The issue is that Christians also consider Jesus as Allah and this is not right. We believe in the God of Abraham and Moses but you cannot trust what is said in the OT as there are many inaccurate reports in the OT.

 

[90sWereBetter]

also I was not saying God in the Quran and OT are distinct Gods as you misconstrued... I was referring to that the OT has numerous inaccuracies. Allah is the same God of Moses but what is said in the OT cannot be trusted.

 

[Maldarker]

Some of what is in the OT is not accurate. I don't consider "God" a name of Allah but some people do refer to Allah as God. The issue is that Christians also consider Jesus as Allah and this is not right. We believe in the God of Abraham and Moses but you cannot trust what is said in the OT as there are many inaccurate reports in the OT.

See thats a cope out...And your full of deceit... You just said GOD in OT is different but yet we believe in the GOD of abraham moses. Sorry can
t have it both ways very deceitful.

The attitude of Muslims toward the Bible is enigmatic, to say the least. On the one hand, the Qur'an speaks very highly of the "Taurah" (Torah), the "Zabur" (Psalms) and the "Injil" (Gospel) as Scriptures revealed to Moses, David and Jesus respectively. It calls them "Books of God," describing them as a "sign," a "light," a "guidance," or a "mercy," and exhorts Muslims to read and live by them. Muslims therefore profess to believe in "all the Prophets and all the Scriptures." At the same time, however, they dismiss the Bible as being invalid and untrustworthy. Muslims explain this inconsistency by charging that the present Bible is not the same as the Scriptures referred to in the Qur'an; they claim that the text has become so "corrupted" that the original Scriptures must be considered lost.

How can Muslims make such claims in the face of all the evidence to the contrary? To begin with, they will usually claim that the Qur'an itself states that the Bible has been corrupted. There are indeed a few passages which accuse the Jews of Medina in Muhammad's day of "corrupting" their Scriptures, although Muslim commentators themselves are not agreed as to what is meant by this. Many earlier commentators held that all that is meant is that they misquoted, not alterated, the text. In any case, one may safely say that these verses are not the real reason for the claim. Nor is it that Muslims have studied the manuscript evidence for the text of the Old and New Testaments, or the principles of "textual criticism," and found proof of textual corruption.

The real reason Muslims reject the Bible is that the Qur'an leads them to expect a "Scripture" very different than what they actually find. To give one example, the Muslim expects the Gospel to be, much like the Qur'an, a book revealed to Jesus, not a book about His life. Committed as they are to the Truth of the Qur'an, the only explanation they will accept for this discrepancy is that the Biblical text must be corrupted. Despite overwhelming evidence showing that the Bible has not been changed, few Muslims are willing to admit it.

 

[polymoog]

Considering how this very thread - which is not about Islam and sharia law - has been taken over by the discussion and obvious pushing and propagandizing of Islam and sharia law, @Seekeroftruth55 HAS A POINT.

i reviewed the thread. it was seeker who brought up the sharia law topic, not any muslims. they simply responded to her post.

im not even sure why we simply dont move the whole sharia law discussion BACK to the sharia law thread in the religous folder.

 

[Maldarker]

also I was not saying God in the Quran and OT are distinct Gods as you misconstrued... I was referring to that the OT has numerous inaccuracies. Allah is the same God of Moses but what is said in the OT cannot be trusted.

Didn't misconstrue anything its exactly what you said and i quote "
No, God as depicted in the Quran is not the same as God as depicted in the OT."

So that says that they are different and no you can not pull the OT tampered like i said to fit your narrative of OT is changed quarn never tampered is straight up BS

 

[90sWereBetter]

Didn't misconstrue anything its exactly what you said and i quote "
No, God as depicted in the Quran is not the same as God as depicted in the OT."

So that says that they are different and no you can not pull the OT tampered like i said to fit your narrative of OT is changed quarn never tampered is straight up BS

I think I know the intent of my words better than you do. By different I mean God is depicted differently. In the OT, Allah is depicted as having ordered atrocities, whereas Allah has never ordered any atrocity.

 

[Lurking009]

i reviewed the thread. it was seeker who brought up the sharia law topic, not any muslims. they simply responded to her post.

No, that's not what happened here. Seeker was totally on topic when she brought it up in post #29 and pointed out it was the potential reason for driving others away, which is what this thread was supposed to be about. The subsequent pushing of Islam, sharia law and deep dive into doctrine is way off topic and unneccessary. That is not what this thread is for, and it actually proved Seekers point.

im not even sure why we simply dont move the whole sharia law discussion BACK to the sharia law thread in the religous folder.

Yeah, that would make sense, but here we are yet again.

 

[Daze]

This is on topic:


This is off topic and obvious trolling:

You hypocrite, how can you not see she took the first shot? We can all scroll back, its literally recorded. But a Muslims fires back.. oh derail, DERAIL!!!

Absolutely amazed by you people.

 

[DarntheDarner]

It is true that Seeker was
trying to stay on topic.
This unfortunately did turn into
a religious debate
due to that post in a sense,
but it did remain on the main
topic.
I do find there has been an issue
in the first place with this
particular topic.
Seems this forum has become
more hostile in many ways.
It never was perfect.
And people did tend to leave
to take a break and this has
always been a thing,
but we should not ignore
the problems that we face currently.

 

[Daze]

It is true that Seeker was
trying to stay on topic.
This unfortunately did turn into
a religious debate
due to that post in a sense,
but it did remain on the main
topic.
I do find there has been an issue
in the first place with this
particular topic.
Seems this forum has become
more hostile in many ways.
It never was perfect.
And people did tend to leave
to take a break and this has
always been a thing,
but we should not ignore
the problems that we face currently.

Trying to say on topic by insulting Muslims?

The obvious shariah law takeover.

Clearly a shot at Muslims even though the 10 commandments themselves are shariah law.

Only the extremely bias can't see the elephant in the room here. That is the usual suspects, the trinnys who can't make a post without taking a shot at Muslims.

Here, let me quote the entire post because most of it is ignorant and unsurprisingly liked by 2 trinnys.




Is this the point of your thread? Attacking Muslims? Then you need to clarify it and change the title.

 

[DarntheDarner]

Its obvious @Daze that you just
want to argue and play
victim card.
You obviously did not read
this person's post properly.
Being against Sharia Law is
not about being against all
Muslims.
What it sounds like is
a stand up to those who
attack others for not agreeing
with the law, when people
don't need to believe in it
if they don't want to.
Also, it seems this law has
so many hardships to deal with.
From what I have gathered,
it is not fun for anyone to be born
into Sharia Law,
because the rules and regulations alone
can be cause for concern.
I believe you will not take any
of what I said with proper dignity,
so this will be my last response to you
as I'm not up for a constant battle
of debate with you.
Have a good day!

 

[Daze]

Its obvious @Daze that you just
want to argue and play
victim card.
You obviously did not read
this person's post properly.
Being against Sharia Law is
not about being against all
Muslims.
What it sounds like is
a stand up to those who
attack others for not agreeing
with the law, when people
don't need to believe in it
if they don't want to.
Also, it seems this law has
so many hardships to deal with.
From what I have gathered,
it is not fun for anyone to be born
into Sharia Law,
because the rules and regulations alone
can be cause for concern.
I believe you will not take any
of what I said with proper dignity,
so this will be my last response to you
as I'm not up for a constant battle
of debate with you.
Have a good day!

3 points. You are a trinny, yes? You say Jesus is god, yes?

2nd. If the islamic narative was so strong and unbearing here then why have so many Muslims left and so many trinnys remain?

3rd point. Please point out the 'unbearing' shariah law that is appearently in every thread.

...Does the word bias mean anything to you?

 

[Seekeroftruth55]

Looks like Daze is at it again lol! Well, we know if this forum shuts down, we know who to blame, at least partially, anyway.
I'm sure vigilant citizen himself will see how toxic the environment has gotten here and will just rid of the forums. Not sure if that can be a thing, but I'm surely worried about it, anyway.
Plus this forum will only have the shariah law people and those who sympathize with it be here, and everyone else will just leave. Some may not agree with this message, and that's fine, but we can't just sit here and think there isn't something wrong. It would be so sad if this forum gains too much of a "sickness" and there's no cure from it. Would people be happy if this place was taken away?
If this was a place of such free will and free speech, well, the illusion of that would be taken away, as well. EVERYTHING would be, and we would have to find a different platform, if we even know where the heck to look.
Also, this goes towards those who seemed friendly and smart at one point, that now seem to be in alliance with those they know better not to be with, or just being plain petty cause they are angry, that they have no idea what they are dealing with. This is a potential end of this forum as we know it, and these certain individuals would be partially responsible for that. Good work!