BTS discussion thread

lunaldc · Aug 27, 2018

Ya 'll are geniuses

roomhunter · Aug 27, 2018

Sorry if my post is not appropriate or derailing, I've been lurking for a while but I don't know what is okay to post.

I found this place cause I'm into conspiracy theory related stuff and I've recently developed a bit of an
obsession with Jungkook. I noticed that when I listen to some of these songs, I feel myself going into a trance in a way,
which is something thats only happened to me when I was younger but I started noticing it again. I get feeling of very intense
deja vu and I wanted to ask if this is something anyone else here ever experienced? The last I remember this was when I was
younger listening to a Katy Perry song which apparently had a ton of occult symbolism in it too and I knew it did.

I also think my crush on Jungkook is strange because I do not have crushes ever, not on celebrities or anyone and I'm not
very young either. I'm almost 21, so i kinda feel guilty. What I find curious is that when I look at him, I get that weird
deja vu as if I've known him from childhood. I reminds of when I became interested interested in the occult as a child and I would have
freaky dreams where the characters seemed so vivid and familiar and would end in sleep paralysis.

Sorry for the weird af post, I'm hoping someone can relate to my situation lol.

Cocomj · Aug 27, 2018

Ok warning :

I found a video about someone who has DID and her alters come up on camera and they explain stuff

It's just a reminder that even though their alters are demonized they are still humans (their core self i suppose) and it's what the initial break could have looked like in them (sorry if it's an unpopular opinion )

The funny coicidence also is that i found her by mistake on yt and she is korean american

In this video it's an alter talking (Jade ) but if you wanna know the core personnality (Jesse) go back a few videos

Please don't go to troll her (it's a real person in therapy )

For those interested here :

Love you guys ~

Cocomj · Aug 27, 2018

purin said:
About mj:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1033876349872693248

Yeah i saw that when i went on insta earlier today and i was like Prince no please don't ;-;

Hopeful · Aug 28, 2018

roomhunter said:
Sorry if my post is not appropriate or derailing, I've been lurking for a while but I don't know what is okay to post.

I found this place cause I'm into conspiracy theory related stuff and I've recently developed a bit of an
obsession with Jungkook. I noticed that when I listen to some of these songs, I feel myself going into a trance in a way,
which is something thats only happened to me when I was younger but I started noticing it again. I get feeling of very intense
deja vu and I wanted to ask if this is something anyone else here ever experienced? The last I remember this was when I was
younger listening to a Katy Perry song which apparently had a ton of occult symbolism in it too and I knew it did.

I also think my crush on Jungkook is strange because I do not have crushes ever, not on celebrities or anyone and I'm not
very young either. I'm almost 21, so i kinda feel guilty. What I find curious is that when I look at him, I get that weird
deja vu as if I've known him from childhood. I reminds of when I became interested interested in the occult as a child and I would have
freaky dreams where the characters seemed so vivid and familiar and would end in sleep paralysis.

Sorry for the weird af post, I'm hoping someone can relate to my situation lol.

Hey welcome ..

..

And this is not a weird post .. We did talk about having dreams of them some halfway across the thread ..

And some still have them and they always give almost everyone that deja vu type feeling ...

We discussed of these as some sort of synthetic dreams which are maybe spread around with waves among people and people get the same ones except with different members ..

We aren't introduced to the full technology that has been developed underground .. There are always secrets and dark sides

Hopeful · Aug 28, 2018

And guys you remember jin saying on day 2 concert that.. GOD is with them as it was 97 percent chance of raining but it didn't rain..
Now the crazy brainwashed army is thinking that the universe is on their side..
This feels like a manipulation to me.. Beetees knows army worships them calls them God.. This tactic that jin or anyone pulled is going to increase the thought of them as Gods at subconsciousness level.. This is very dangerous ..

And yes weather can be controlled by spraying chemicals in sky with the help of aeroplanes.. If they're part of the nw0 agenda.. They have no problem in asking a little help in them

Hopeful · Aug 28, 2018

purin said:
One important thing about mk victims: just because they're smiling it doesn't mean that they are truly happy, in the case of pink alters(child alter) they behave like kids and are forced to lose weight to look younger.

Sad ..
But they're real good actors and seem content..
But at the end of the night.. Some do cry themselves to sleep..

They face depression like Britney came on screen crying about herself ... They don't care about their children.. They have breakups.. Divorces.. Depressions.. It's all painful

saintroserosalia · Aug 28, 2018

Sally.H said:
3:08....I guess it's part of the choreography now?

They strategically did it when they were singing ''it's okay'', so the public would think nothing of it. Most people think it's just an innocent hand gesture that means it's okay.

It's like R3d V3lv3t's Peekaboo.

lilahhope said:
While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree. There's no reason not to love yourself. It's not rubbish to be healthy and accept who you are as a person while continually growing, learning and yes, following God's path for you. I'm not talking the selfish, put yourself ahead of everyone type of love. You should love yourself enough to say no when you are overwhelmed, to stand up for yourself when being taking advantage of, to maintain your health - physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually. It's always possible to go to the extreme, but living for God means you love everyone, including yourself.

I do agree with you because it works for ordinary people like you and me. Most literate people know what loving ourselves truly mean.

However, if we were to talk about the musical and lyrical concept for LY era (this is just my opinion) their concept of 'loving yourself' has been much of extreme narcissism. It is supposed to end violence with UNICEF (tbh, how does one actually end violence ? Moreover, popstars like them can actually do something about it ? Sorry, no way).

Let us revisit their LY time-line, shall we ? Their story begins at Euphoria: this is when they were the happiest with own dreams like any other young people; they were in the most ordinary tshirts and jeans and no make-up), then the boys had the fluffiest feelings, as depicted in their Highlight reels and DNA, when they met their ideal partners during their journey of becoming kpop idols. However, as they began to become more famous, they actually preferred the Fake Love between them (this is supposed to symbolize their initiation) and their fans (as opposed to real love between them and the girls) and the final answer is Idol - the trippiest video with weird colors: they don't care whether they are idols or artists, because they want to bask in the glory which only their fans can give them aka selling out (aka selling their souls to .... you know who).

Also, we have Mic Drop, Ddaeng (although this song is only presented as somewhat a gift to Armys during their 5th Anniversary but it's very popular among the fans AND it is still within LY era), Hangsang (I feel that Hobi's mixtape is purposely to have something to do with LY, otherwise why is there even Airplane pt 2 ???!), Go-Go, Pied Piper, Epiphany -- I may be wrong but these songs have repetitive structure of lyricism that I find unsuitable to the very concept they are promoting.

What does the story tell us ? How does this end violence ? They can do so much with UNICEF, but all they did is only to create more merchandise to sell in guise of helping children. Personally, I feel that the true outcome of this era (as @Maggieca pointed out at her latest post i.e. fans waiting outside the stadium just to buy the merchandise), is Beetees has become one and only true manifestation of global kpop commodity. No other groups at this very moment sells more than BeeTees. Through pictorials, merchandise and bulks of albums, they are mere products for their fans to consume and own happily. And if their fans can think for themselves for once, this very action has nothing to do with loving yourself. And may I add that their fans seem to be more critical and aggressive to other fandoms on social media - simply because of BeeTees' so-called achievements ? For me personally, lyrics tend to be more important than music because words can influence one's thinking and actions. It's quite clear to me that the fans have learned unconsciously from the subtle bullying phrases from Mic Drop/Ddaeng (and also Cypher Pt 4 - that's where this whole era is based on). Also, it is even more obvious that the fans tend to associate materialism to a successful life (again, from Ddaeng, Hangsang). In the end, they don't care about loving oneself to help others (so what happen to UNICEF campaign?). They only love themselves because BeeTees have been telling them to love BeeTees is equivalent to love themselves mainly because other kpop groups suck and they are obviously not as rich as the boys.

Sorry for such a long post. I try to avoid shading the boys and I hope I give a rational explanation to why I think the boys are hypocritical about their Love Yourself campaign. The concept itself is noble but the way they present it is questionable. Again, my 2 cents only

Hopeful · Aug 28, 2018

I was reading betees 4th army zip 2017 thing.. Somebody posted the answer from the boys..
2 questions caught my attention and few answers ..
Question 1
When. Did you cry last time?

H0b1.. Last night with small tears thinking about sad things.

V... Last night ..

The remaining i didn't find interesting.

Question 2
What did you last dream about?

K00k.. Sadly i don't have any

.RM.. I don't see dreams..

And the boys said they were all night owls.. But when asked when did u wakeup today.. They all wokeup around 9 30.. Except for suga.. Who wokeup at 5 30.. No wonder he looks sleepy.. He doesn't sleep much i guess..

kukitae · Aug 28, 2018

saintroserosalia said:
It's like R3d V3lv3t's Peekaboo.

I do agree with you because it works for ordinary people like you and me. Most literate people know what loving ourselves truly mean.

However, if we were to talk about the musical and lyrical concept for LY era (this is just my opinion) their concept of 'loving yourself' has been much of extreme narcissism. It is supposed to end violence with UNICEF (tbh, how does one actually end violence ? Moreover, popstars like them can actually do something about it ? Sorry, no way).

Let us revisit their LY time-line, shall we ? Their story begins at Euphoria: this is when they were the happiest with own dreams like any other young people; they were in the most ordinary tshirts and jeans and no make-up), then the boys had the fluffiest feelings, as depicted in their Highlight reels and DNA, when they met their ideal partners during their journey of becoming kpop idols. However, as they began to become more famous, they actually preferred the Fake Love between them (this is supposed to symbolize their initiation) and their fans (as opposed to real love between them and the girls) and the final answer is Idol - the trippiest video with weird colors: they don't care whether they are idols or artists, because they want to bask in the glory which only their fans can give them aka selling out (aka selling their souls to .... you know who).

Also, we have Mic Drop, Ddaeng (although this song is only presented as somewhat a gift to Armys during their 5th Anniversary but it's very popular among the fans AND it is still within LY era), Hangsang (I feel that Hobi's mixtape is purposely to have something to do with LY, otherwise why is there even Airplane pt 2 ???!), Go-Go, Pied Piper, Epiphany -- I may be wrong but these songs have repetitive structure of lyricism that I find unsuitable to the very concept they are promoting.

What does the story tell us ? How does this end violence ? They can do so much with UNICEF, but all they did is only to create more merchandise to sell in guise of helping children. Personally, I feel that the true outcome of this era (as @Maggieca pointed out at her latest post i.e. fans waiting outside the stadium just to buy the merchandise), is Beetees has become one and only true manifestation of global kpop commodity. No other groups at this very moment sells more than BeeTees. Through pictorials, merchandise and bulks of albums, they are mere products for their fans to consume and own happily. And if their fans can think for themselves for once, this very action has nothing to do with loving yourself. And may I add that their fans seem to be more critical and aggressive to other fandoms on social media - simply because of BeeTees' so-called achievements ? For me personally, lyrics tend to be more important than music because words can influence one's thinking and actions. It's quite clear to me that the fans have learned unconsciously from the subtle bullying phrases from Mic Drop/Ddaeng (and also Cypher Pt 4 - that's where this whole era is based on). Also, it is even more obvious that the fans tend to associate materialism to a successful life (again, from Ddaeng, Hangsang). In the end, they don't care about loving oneself to help others (so what happen to UNICEF campaign?). They only love themselves because BeeTees have been telling them to love BeeTees is equivalent to love themselves mainly because other kpop groups suck and they are obviously not as rich as the boys.

Sorry for such a long post. I try to avoid shading the boys and I hope I give a rational explanation to why I think the boys are hypocritical about their Love Yourself campaign. The concept itself is noble but the way they present it is questionable. Again, my 2 cents only
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this speaks my mind! Some ARMYs will be saying "Oh it's okay if they brag since they started it from the bottom. Now it's time for them to prove the haters that they are wrong!" But I mean they been dissed the haters since long time ago and it's still not enough? When I joined the fandom, everyone was so kind. We were hated (and maybe they are still) but that what made us united. When BTS starting to crawl on success, we were so proud of them, of us. It was beautiful moment. We loved the cyphers because the lyrics just go straight to the haters and prove the haters wrong. But it was years ago. I didn't realize that the fandom itself making the bandwagon hate to the other kpop fandom. I admit that many kpopers trying to deal with armys with sending hate speech or whatsoever. But BTS brought love yourself concept so does it mean "forget them we can start with loving ourself, spread positivity, don't deal with any of them" But what I see now is that the BTS themselves trying to grow the hates within the ARMY fandom by keep shading the haters and antis. So, is it the point of it? Love yourself?

lilahhope · Aug 28, 2018

saintroserosalia said:
It's like R3d V3lv3t's Peekaboo.

I do agree with you because it works for ordinary people like you and me. Most literate people know what loving ourselves truly mean.

However, if we were to talk about the musical and lyrical concept for LY era (this is just my opinion) their concept of 'loving yourself' has been much of extreme narcissism. It is supposed to end violence with UNICEF (tbh, how does one actually end violence ? Moreover, popstars like them can actually do something about it ? Sorry, no way).

Let us revisit their LY time-line, shall we ? Their story begins at Euphoria: this is when they were the happiest with own dreams like any other young people; they were in the most ordinary tshirts and jeans and no make-up), then the boys had the fluffiest feelings, as depicted in their Highlight reels and DNA, when they met their ideal partners during their journey of becoming kpop idols. However, as they began to become more famous, they actually preferred the Fake Love between them (this is supposed to symbolize their initiation) and their fans (as opposed to real love between them and the girls) and the final answer is Idol - the trippiest video with weird colors: they don't care whether they are idols or artists, because they want to bask in the glory which only their fans can give them aka selling out (aka selling their souls to .... you know who).

Also, we have Mic Drop, Ddaeng (although this song is only presented as somewhat a gift to Armys during their 5th Anniversary but it's very popular among the fans AND it is still within LY era), Hangsang (I feel that Hobi's mixtape is purposely to have something to do with LY, otherwise why is there even Airplane pt 2 ???!), Go-Go, Pied Piper, Epiphany -- I may be wrong but these songs have repetitive structure of lyricism that I find unsuitable to the very concept they are promoting.

What does the story tell us ? How does this end violence ? They can do so much with UNICEF, but all they did is only to create more merchandise to sell in guise of helping children. Personally, I feel that the true outcome of this era (as @Maggieca pointed out at her latest post i.e. fans waiting outside the stadium just to buy the merchandise), is Beetees has become one and only true manifestation of global kpop commodity. No other groups at this very moment sells more than BeeTees. Through pictorials, merchandise and bulks of albums, they are mere products for their fans to consume and own happily. And if their fans can think for themselves for once, this very action has nothing to do with loving yourself. And may I add that their fans seem to be more critical and aggressive to other fandoms on social media - simply because of BeeTees' so-called achievements ? For me personally, lyrics tend to be more important than music because words can influence one's thinking and actions. It's quite clear to me that the fans have learned unconsciously from the subtle bullying phrases from Mic Drop/Ddaeng (and also Cypher Pt 4 - that's where this whole era is based on). Also, it is even more obvious that the fans tend to associate materialism to a successful life (again, from Ddaeng, Hangsang). In the end, they don't care about loving oneself to help others (so what happen to UNICEF campaign?). They only love themselves because BeeTees have been telling them to love BeeTees is equivalent to love themselves mainly because other kpop groups suck and they are obviously not as rich as the boys.

Sorry for such a long post. I try to avoid shading the boys and I hope I give a rational explanation to why I think the boys are hypocritical about their Love Yourself campaign. The concept itself is noble but the way they present it is questionable. Again, my 2 cents only

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Some of this makes sense to me. Especially posed in this type of way. I can see where your line of thinking goes, and I agree with some of it. There is a stark contradiction between what is implied through their songs and what they say/do in terms of this UNICEF work. Thank you for taking the time to explain.

HobiOnTheStreet · Aug 28, 2018

whitetable said:
Yes, that scene but I think it was more deep than that. By watching the abs's conversation, I realized that they already lied so often before. But I will leave it to your side to decide.

I will explain more about it. When they started the abs topic, Hobi immediately admit by himself that he does not have abs at all at the time. I assumed that he said the truth i.e. he does not have it at all, and the members know it.View attachment 14938

JayK, later will be a tattletale, then checked his abs and not following their conversation anymore because he was busy with himself.

Despite that J-Hope already said that he does not have abs, the other members except V started to play along by lying that the abs already in there.
RM: "J-Hope will reveal his abs"
Jin : "He's been working hard for 3 months"
RM : "J-Hope, you exercised so much. I saw that"
J-Hope : "I did work hard"

It got worse when Suga joined the conversation by saying : "His abs are well defined"
J-Hope startled but decided to keep following their game by saying ""Oooo. defined"

Then Jim!n, who just smile from the start when the topic was brought up, then said a diplomatic statement to save him by saying: "No matter how it turned out, Hope really worked hard".

So far their plan was going smoothly. They want aRmy believe that Hob1's abs already in there and will be revealed later. And then JayK, who has finished check his abs, out of nowhere reveal the truth:
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And the damage is done. Look at RM and Jimin reaction, they laughed loudly because shock that their lie has been revealed. There is no abs from the beginning. Look at J-Hope's reaction as well. His lips move forward to express his feeling, he got annoyed as well. And it was more interesting to saw Jin's reaction, he got annoyed and said "Mwoya".

And then we could see JayK lost his word and said nonsense things after that. The atmosphere was awkward since then until at 7:26 second, started from Jimin, then J-Hope, Jin, RM and V, all of them look at the same direction. I believe there is someone who asked them to change the topic, probably their manager and then V (who was very quiet since the beginning) started to take the control and changed the topic.

Also anyone who knows, I wonder about this: "What does the drunken people look like?" Is it enough to say that BteeS got drunk in that VLive? They look normal to me.

Yeah they were drunk in that vlive. Especially Hobi you can see his face was red and he doesnt hold his liquor well.

강 수연 · Aug 28, 2018

Hopeful said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1034073284009054215

Anyone knows what does this make up? Someone said it's a funeral flower

I think that is Caesar Cipher. How to decode this.. Example : GVOFSBM
The alphabet before G is F. Alphabet before V is U.. So it'll be like this. F-U-N-E-R-A-L

Hopeful · Aug 28, 2018

강 수연 said:
I think that is Caesar Cipher. How to decode this.. Example : GVOFSBM
The alphabet before G is F. Alphabet before V is U.. So it'll be like this. F-U-N-E-R-A-L

Ohh i see that's how it's decoded.. . Thanks for explaining

Hopeful · Aug 28, 2018

hanna said:
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Omg hanna.. That's a nice catch...

deniiiiXD · Aug 28, 2018

Anyone living in one of these places?

kukitae · Aug 28, 2018

hanna said:
At 0:40
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BT$ be like "yo this time we're gonna do throwin' signs party" and V ended up doing it all

wow · Aug 28, 2018

hanna said:
At 0:40
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bigsh*t staff : sooo we need yall to show hand signs everywhere, who is willing to do it?
bt$ : ........
tea:

wow · Aug 28, 2018

wow said:
bigsh*t staff : sooo we need yall to show hand signs everywhere, who is willing to do it?
bt$ : ........
tea:
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but seriously though, he is one of the most member that shows hand signs 24/7, i even think he shows more than r!m, but i dont know if he is being forced to do it or not, but if he is forced, why him? why dont all of the members are being forced to show the hand signs? or maybe he is just loyal to his god, who knows.

Hopeful · Aug 28, 2018

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1034389716236419072

Anyone cares to decode this.. I'm not good at numbers and decoding stuff
These numbers can Mean anything .. We need the members who knew the meanings of each number

Although i can try a little

First 2 digits 4 + 7 = 11
Last 030303 = 9
That makes 9/11.. Their grammy museum interview.

But in between there is 444= 12.. I don't know about this..

11 9 and 12 = 32..

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