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Clout

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..When these people pass away, their victims finally feel safe to come forward..
But why on earth should we take their word for what allegedly happened many years ago?
It may be that Savile was a groper but we'll never know for sure because he was never brought to trial, that's my whole point , people are innocent til PROVEN guilty.. :p
 

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But why on earth should we take their word for what allegedly happened many years ago?
It may be that Savile was a groper but we'll never know for sure because he was never brought to trial, that's my whole point , people are innocent til PROVEN guilty.. :p
That's why I said one must do their own due diligence and look into the matter themselves. In the case of Mr. Savile there is enough evidence to convince me that at least some of these victims are telling the truth. I'm not going to go into full detail here, but feel free to really research the individual claims. Keep a puke pail handy as it is a disturbing matter to have to look into... I again pose the question. How many celebrities die everyday? Even A listers like Savile? I see one or two in my morning news everyday. It is rare, so rare in fact that I can't recall one off the top of my head, that after their death there are literally hundreds of reports of their abuses that come out. One must ask themselves why would it be this way for him unless there is something more to the story? Then after asking that question, you go and look into their claims in detail and you learn that many of the stories have striking similarities, common threads. People who didn't know each other from Adam. Didn't know each other's stories. Had little to gain from coming forward because they know most people will think they are just after some money. Some arbitrary amount of money they're not guaranteed to get anyway, and will have to pay hefty legal fees just to try to obtain. I'm just describing the process of critical thinking at this point :D
 

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Present the "evidence"..:)
Ah. As I said I don't care to go back down that rabbit hole. You should do your own digging if you care to have a fully informed opinion on the matter. I have a feeling you will never be convinced as it is nigh impossible to gather physical evidence from s. assaults that happened to children decades ago. Unfortunately, the bulk of the evidence presented are eye witness and/or the victims' accounts. Again, I appreciate that you don't want to jump to conclusions. However, in this case it does seem you are defending the wrong man.
 

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Judge Judy says to claimants who come before her without a shred of evidence-

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Good for her, I bet she'd say the same thing to women who allege they've been abused..:)
 

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Operation Yewtree, into historic allegations of child sexual abuse by Savile and other individuals, some still living, covering four decades. The Met stated that it was pursuing over 400 lines of inquiry, based on the claims of 200 witnesses, via fourteen police forces across the UK. It described the alleged abuse as being "on an unprecedented scale" and the number of potential victims as "staggering".[2][3] By 19 December, eight people had been questioned as part of the investigation. The Met stated that the total number of alleged victims was 589, of whom 450 alleged abuse by Savile.[4][5]

The report of the investigations undertaken jointly by the police and the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC), Giving Victims a Voice, was published on 11 January 2013. It reported allegations covering a period of 50 years, including 214 alleged acts by Savile which, though uncorroborated, have been formally recorded as crimes, some involving children as young as eight. The report states "within the recorded crimes there are 126 indecent acts and 34 r*pe/penetration offences."[6] Alleged offences took place at thirteen hospitals as well as on BBC premises, according to the report.[6][7]

In October 2013, it was announced that inquiries had widened to other hospitals.[8] On 26 June 2014, then-Secretary of State for Health Jeremy Hunt reported on the findings of the investigations led by Kate Lampard. He said that Savile had sexually assaulted victims aged between 5 and 75 in NHS hospitals, and Hunt apologised to the victims.[9] Further investigations, in hospitals and elsewhere, led to additional allegations of sexual abuse by Savile.
 

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Judge Judy says to claimants who come before her without a shred of evidence-

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Good for her, I bet she'd say the same thing to women who allege they've been abused..:)
I didn't claim to have proof. I said there is evidence in the form of a large number of stories that overlap and share common details. I said it would be difficult to find physical evidence because the assaults would have taken place decades ago. One would have to connect some dots on their own to come to a conclusion. I don't need to repost videos and articles that have already been posted previously on the forum. I asked you to look into it yourself but I already know you prefer to be spoonfed. I will say it makes my skin crawl a bit, the way you seem to delight in the fact that these people are not able to physically prove their case. I can only imagine being a helpless child in a hospital being groped and molested by a celebrity who is protected by an army of wealth and influence. Then decades later after he dies you feel like it's finally safe to speak out, only to have people like you say "Oh ya? Prove it!" Followed up by a nice smiley emoji. I'm all for giving folks the benefit of the doubt... That includes those who may have outrageous claims of abuse stemming back to their childhoods.
Anyhow, like I said, I can agree to disagree. It is obvious that you enjoy these little back and forth style debates that go nowhere. And my hats off to you for your tenacity!
 
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I didn't claim to have proof. I said there is evidence in the form of a large number of stories that overlap and share common details. I said it would be difficult to find physical evidence because the assaults would have taken place decades ago. One would have to connect some dots on their own to come to a conclusion. I don't need to repost videos and articles that have already been posted previously on the forum. I asked you to look into it yourself but I already know you prefer to be spoonfed. I will say it makes my skin crawl a bit, the way you seem to delight in the fact that these people are not able to physically prove their case. I can only imagine being a helpless child in a hospital being groped and molested by a celebrity who is protected by an army of wealth and influence. Then decades later after he dies you feel like it's finally safe to speak out, only to have people like you say "Oh ya? Prove it!" Followed up by a nice smiley emoji. I'm all for giving folks the benefit of the doubt... That includes those who may have outrageous claims of abuse stemming back to their childhoods.
Anyhow, like I said, I can agree to disagree. It is obvious that you enjoy these little back and forth style debates that go nowhere. And my hats off to you for your tenacity!
It's an amazing hypocrisy to claim no one can prove Jimmy Savile was a p***phile (despite 450 complaints filed against him), because he was never arrested or taken to court during his lifetime of being protected by the so-called royals...

...while at the same time pretending that 19 "Muslims" armed only with box-cutters took over 4 passenger jets on 9/11/2001, and 4 "Muslims" blew up the 3 tube trains and the No. 30 bus in London on 7/7/2005, when there isn't a single shred of evidence proving that, nor can there be a posthumous trial.
 

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Was the dude a friend of yours? What's the reason for not looking deep into it yourself.
Like i said mate, if a whole army of women come forward and say "Floridafoot messed with me many years ago", rest assured I won't take their word for it if they can't PROVE it, unless of course you want me to blindly jump on their side..:)
 

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It's an amazing hypocrisy to claim no one can prove Jimmy Savile was a p***phile (despite 450 complaints filed against him), because he was never arrested or taken to court during his lifetime of being protected by the so-called royals...
...while at the same time pretending that 19 "Muslims" armed only with box-cutters took over 4 passenger jets on 9/11/2001, and 4 "Muslims" blew up the 3 tube trains and the No. 30 bus in London on 7/7/2005, when there isn't a single shred of evidence proving that, nor can there be a posthumous trial.
Like i've said 725 times before, Al-Qaeda ADMITTED doing 9/11, end of story.
But Savile never admitted anything, so in law he remains innocent til proven guilty.
Now the media are having a feeding frenzy against Al-Fayed who died last year (below) but of course we VC-ers don't automatically believe everything the papers tell us do we?..:)

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The "don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up" approach to life isn't going to seem so blissful for much longer.

Believing, defending and promoting the counterfeit-Jewish owned and controlled media and p***philia is about as ignorant as it gets, but there's no shortage of that these days.

 

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Thank heaven for newspapers, whatever would we do without them always bringing us the truth..:)

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