LGBT+ movement starting to backfire [part 3]

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This video from the other thread is excellent and covers practically all the points and obiections that have been raised in this thread.

Everything from the debate of born vs choice, the current lack of objective truth, the fidelity rates among hetero relationships contrasted with male same sex relationships, how accepting the "consenting adults" excuse leads to an acceptance of incest (at a minimum), how just because people have certain predispositions does not mean it is morally right to act on them, how childhood abuse leads to same sex attraction, etc.
 

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My take on this is there may be a correlation but not a direct causation.

In my opinion, there is a need to have A biological parent, mother OR father, in the home watching the child(ren). But not because only a mother can provide the child attention but because if neither parent is taking care of the child(ren) there is a much higher likelihood of the child(ren) being assaulted or molested, or at the very minimum being exposed to degenerate media or ideas, or being groomed.
How many people who have same sex attraction were molested as children, or exposed to p0rnography at a young age? Sometimes even by an extended relative, like older cousin or uncle.

I dont believe it's an absolute that it must be the woman who stays home, though i do believe in the majority of cases that is what best makes sense.
There are exceptions though, like if a woman has an earning potential many times her husband's. It makes no sense to have them live in poverty just because it should be the woman who stays home. Often these high paying jobs come with an excellent benefits package, so the new mother will be able to spend sometimes even up to a year with her new baby before returning to work, unlike women in lower paying jobs who often have no benefits.

I read this article, which i honestly found ridiculous, that had examples of high earning women who the author believed should stay at home regardless of the financial repercussions. It is not "woke" to not choose to live in poverty, and ironically these type of people are usually the ones complaining about "handouts" for the poor.



Regarding the myth that only rich white women were able to be stay at home moms, I'll just say that it's a thing to read about in college gender studies classes and virtue signal about, but does not represent reality (at least in the US).

Growing up in the 90s we lived in a working class/lower middle class neighborhood and at school literally all my classmates had a stay at home mom except for one. The majority of them were latino or first generation asian immigrants, not white. Yes, most people lived in poverty, sometimes two families in an apartment, but the women were generally not working.

Also, with childcare being so expensive it makes no financial sense for both parents to work when the net take home would only be a couple hundred dollars a month or less. "Rich" professional career women may be able to afford childcare and still have plenty of money left over, but not minimum wage workers, especially if they have more than one child.

My mother in law is always dropping hints about how she disapproves of me not working, but my husband and i know that the amount of money left over after childcare would be negligible and not worth the possibility of our children getting molested. If it means living in a smaller place and not doing things people take for granted like going on vacations or buying new cars we are fine with that. Our children matter more to us.
I was being half-serious. Gen X and older would have had stay at home mums, but there would have been closet LGBT+ children despite that.
Some video clips the Gen Z and younger kids look like they are desperately in need of serious attention, to feel special and valued. Coming out as the latest "gender" would certainly get positive attention from peers and mixed reactions from family!

I agree if at all possible the mother or father should be at home; and if childcare is needed because of a single parent household or genuinely need to (In Australia even rent in large country towns is becoming unaffordable for many), for it to be the best available / fewest hours.
On the other hand having had a mentally unstable mother myself, part of me wonders if things would have been easier if she had gone to work so she wouldn't have worried about money so much (she had more outbursts when the bills came in at once).
 

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Some video clips the Gen Z and younger kids look like they are desperately in need of serious attention, to feel special and valued. Coming out as the latest "gender" would certainly get positive attention from peers and mixed reactions from family!
Yes, i can see how coming out could be an attention seeking move for a child who feels ignored or neglected. That could account for the increasing number of gen z people identifying as lgbt+, as opposed to the small percentage of people experiencing same sex attraction that has existed theoughout.

On the other hand having had a mentally unstable mother myself, part of me wonders if things would have been easier if she had gone to work so she wouldn't have worried about money so much (she had more outbursts when the bills came in at once).
I had a reluctant and resentful stay at home mom (she did it, but kept it no secret that she HATED it), and i do think my sister and i would have had better mental health if she had gone to work. I was not homeschooled, so i got exposed to the predatory aspects of peers and public schooling anyway, so it didnt even help in that aspect.

In the end it's an individual decision, and depends on each family's circumstances, the mother and father's temperaments and strengths and weaknesses. That's why i cant fully agree with generalized statements about ALL women finding it fulfilling to be wives and mothers, though i acknowledge that many would prefer that.
 
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I hope this Tweet stays up, does anyone know how old the clip is?


There were a lot of tweets recommending this lady's bravery for saying to students that only women have wombs. Why can't they kick the student/s out for yelling at the lecturer anyway?
A couple of good ones:



The clip is from last year, i believe i watched it last summer on youtube (or maybe it was a similar video, but same topics were discussed). It is from a longer lecture from students for life, the speaker's name is Kristan Hawkins, she's a pro-life advocate.
 
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I never understood the generation labels such as x y or z. Sounds like more MSM rubbish. And why did they begin at the end of the alphabet anyway ? What generation are we supposed to be at now? Generation G. Kind of scary that there are people who still read junk like Time and Newsweek etc.
 
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Interesting article regarding homophobia and Christianity


Is a "homophobic" environment to blame for a higher prevalence of mental problems? Data from very pro-homosexual cultures would say no.

Homosexual activists often blame Christians for creating a so-called homophobic environment that results in their victimization and increases the prevalence of mental problems among homosexuals. On the one hand, Christianity certainly does not look favorably upon homosexual behavior. On the other hand, in Scandinavia and the Netherlands, homosexuals enjoy the best societal acceptance anywhere in the world. In addition, Scandinavian or Dutch Christians who publicly criticize homosexuals or oppose their demands, face prison. However, Dutch homosexuals manifest elevated mental problems, like their American counterparts.1 Likewise, homosexual Norwegian adolescents manifest elevated suicidality compared to their heterosexual counterparts, which can hardly be blamed upon a homophobic environment.2 Surely, it would be premature to conclude that the elevated mental problems of homosexuals entirely result from so-called homophobia.
This part explains why (some) Christians hold homosexuality to be a sin worst than other sins - the part about it being made a public spectacle, something to be proud of that others must celebrate.

However, the part about obesity/gluttony not being celebrated feels very dated in these current times.
One need also mention another significant reason why a number of Christians seem compelled to oppose various demands of homosexuals. The Bible talks about a lot of sins. Generally speaking, sinners such as adulterers, incest offenders, rapists, muggers, shoplifters, and the greedy do not take out "pride parades" to celebrate their lifestyle or demand that others accept their behavior. In addition, although adulterers do not choose to be attracted to someone other than their spouse, they don't attempt to use this lack of choice over their attractions to justify adultery because they know that they had the choice to not be adulterous.

Of the few sinners other than practicing homosexuals who celebrate their lifestyle, none come anywhere close to homosexuals. For instance, even though the number of obese individuals considerably exceeds the number of homosexuals, only a miniscule number of obese individuals celebrate gluttony and insist that others accept it. In fact, it is worth noting that a number of gluttons that insist on the acceptance of obesity are feminists, who are often both obese and practicing homosexuals. Therefore, practicing homosexuals appear to be especially unique sinners from a Christian standpoint.
I dont agree with this part, however. Prior to becoming a Christian and a mother i actually had a very accepting attitude towards same-sex behavior, many of my friends were lgb (one of them then decided she was t). I was not "disgusted" by the things men did with each other because i just didn't think about it - is it normal to be imagining what other people are doing in their bedroom?

It wasn't until after my conversion that i came to the realization that if something is displeasing to God then my attitude needed an adjustment. To dislike something because of personal opinion is nonsensical. Yeah, a heterosexual may be disgusted, but a homosexual is not or may be disgusted by heterosexual behavior. What makes one human viewpoint more valid than the other, if we don't seek out a higher moral guidance?

There should also be a clarification that disliking one aspect of a person's behavior does not mean disliking a person or group of people. Only the most extreme of Christians (like steven anderson, who i believe is controlled opposition) would not be satisfied with "dont ask, dont tell" and condemn even non-practicing homosexuals.

It is curious as to why a number of homosexuals and homophiles fail to see the obvious in that people typically dislike homosexuals because of their sexual behavior, not because the Bible tells them to dislike homosexuals. In a debate on homosexual issues, a Christian may quote the Bible in an attempt to offer a rational argument as to why he or she opposes some demands of homosexuals. However, in almost all such cases, Biblical quotations are simply masking the true reason for opposing various demands of homosexuals, i.e., extreme disgust at their sexual behavior. Rarely would one come across a lifetime-exclusive heterosexual Christian who started out not disgusted in the very least by the sexual behavior of homosexuals, but acquired a strong dislike of homosexuals and ended up opposing their demands solely as a result of coming across the relevant Biblical passages.
 
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I never understood the generation labels such as x y or z. Sounds like more MSM rubbish. And why did they begin at the end of the alphabet anyway ? What generation are we supposed to be at now? Generation G. Kind of scary that there are people who still read junk like Time and Newsweek etc.
I think it is some kind of psy op, going back to the post ww2 "baby boomer" generation when tptb really started trying to push the ideas of "youth culture " and generational divide, in order to bring in the sort of issues we are facing now.

Sort of to set up an "us vs them" mentality within families, to have children distrust their parents, and then tpth could raise them instead, though media programming, public education, culture, etc.

It is curious why they started near the end of the alphabet, though supposedly it had to do with "x" signifying an unknown, supposedly that generation's "reluctance to be defined".

According to people who care about that kind of stuff, we are now in generation "alpha".
 
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I agree with you and you said what I was trying to say but better. The only thing Generation X meant to me was that they were one of the early punk bands from England whose lead singer became famous in the USA years later. Billy Idol.
 

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On Saturday, Dec 31, as part of its college football payoff broadcasts from the Fiesta and Peach Bowl games, ESPN offered a new commentary "option" via one of its secondary channels. This coverage option consisted of three white dudes, all former linemen, and a black former skill position player roaming the sidelines and engaging in whatever antic caught their attention span at that moment.

Initially, it appeared the extremely homo-centric banter was to be played off as jocular humor. However things quickly devolved to the point of physical boundaries being crossed on prime time television. Much of it seemed drunk-fueled and by the end of the first bowl, the commentators could hardly string a sentence together, were using profanity and loudly mentioning how they were "crop dusting" the cheerleaders behind them. It was something I had never seen before... the level of attempted homo-erotic behavior was simply stunning. This wasnt some late night program or even a pro (NFL) event... this was college football, the sporting heartbeat of America's athletic soul. Their level of homo was so off the charts, yet still, the guys on the next bowl had to try and outdo them. It was something I was unable to deal with for a few days... it just seemed like a really vile and effective promotion of this agenda in a way they have never either figured out or stooped to doing before.

America is in big trouble yall.
 
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On Saturday, Dec 31, as part of its college football payoff broadcasts from the Fiesta and Peach Bowl games, ESPN offered a new commentary "option" via one of its secondary channels. This coverage option consisted of three white dudes, all former linemen, and a black former skill position player roaming the sidelines and engaging in whatever antic caught their attention span at that moment.

Initially, it appeared the extremely homo-centric banter was to be played off as jocular humor. However things quickly devolved to the point of physical boundaries being crossed on prime time television. Much of it seemed drunk-fueled and by the end of the first bowl, the commentators could hardly string a sentence together, were using profanity and loudly mentioning how they were "crop dusting" the cheerleaders behind them. It was something I had never seen before... the level of attempted homo-erotic behavior was simply stunning. This wasnt some late night program or even a pro (NFL) event... this was college football, the sporting heartbeat of America's athletic soul. Their level of homo was so off the charts, yet still, the guys on the next bowl had to try and outdo them. It was something I was unable to deal with for a few days... it just seemed like a really vile and effective promotion of this agenda in a way they have never either figured out or stooped to doing before.

America is in big trouble yall.
Stop watching ESPN college football commentary. Problem solved.
 

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A study found homosexuals make up 33% of crimes against children. Now bear in mind they make up less than 2% of the population that’s quite alarming.

There was a doctor who studied this and said “not all homosexuals are pedophiles but all pedophiles are homosexual”.

its been proven time again there’s no genetic marker making people gay, you are notborn with it so essentially it’s an abnormality of the brain.
 

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A study found homosexuals make up 33% of crimes against children. Now bear in mind they make up less than 2% of the population that’s quite alarming.

There was a doctor who studied this and said “not all homosexuals are pedophiles but all pedophiles are homosexual”.

its been proven time again there’s no genetic marker making people gay, you are notborn with it so essentially it’s an abnormality of the brain.
It's a spiritual sickness of the soul and likely something that happened to someone before they were even born as a consequence of some sort of sin. That or some sort of trauma experienced at a young age. The same is true for all unnatural affections.

I'll tell you a true story. I went to a deliverance ministry about ten years ago. The guy who performed the deliverance was praying and he asked me about my parents and knew that I didn't know my father. He said that a spirit of rejection had entered inside me through the womb before I was even born, because at some point and time my parents said or did something to denounce(reject) me while I was still in development. He prayed and I felt something release in my stomach. I went home not sure if anything had even happened, but I knew something was different when I laid in bed that night. It's hard to explain, but when there was silence I heard a clear and distinguished voice in my mind thanking and praising God. I didn't realize it at the time, but now I know it was the holy spirit.
 

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I actually believe that the rise in all these unnatural affections and perversions come from generational curses and witchcraft. Practices that ones parents or someone in their family line engaged in. That's how witchcraft works. Witches can perform spells where they can get men to think they are a woman trapped in a man's body and vice versa. Someone can get freed and delivered in Jesus name, but they still need to renew their mind so those strongholds(thought patterns) come down. The root is all spiritual. Allot of these trans people were abused as a child and all trauma like this opens a massive doorway for unclean spirits.
This. I would also add the ever present hollywood propaganda. Especially considering that most people get put in front of the tv screen since they're babies.
 

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It's a spiritual sickness of the soul and likely something that happened to someone before they were even born as a consequence of some sort of sin. That or some sort of trauma experienced at a young age. The same is true for all unnatural affections.

I'll tell you a true story. I went to a deliverance ministry about ten years ago. The guy who performed the deliverance was praying and he asked me about my parents and knew that I didn't know my father. He said that a spirit of rejection had entered inside me through the womb before I was even born, because at some point and time my parents said or did something to denounce(reject) me while I was still in development. He prayed and I felt something release in my stomach. I went home not sure if anything had even happened, but I knew something was different when I laid in bed that night. It's hard to explain, but when there was silence I heard a clear and distinguished voice in my mind thanking and praising God. I didn't realize it at the time, but now I know it was the holy spirit.
What you describe is exactly why the classification of alternative sexualities as mental illness instead of personal sin or spiritual attack was such a wrong move.
People can't just unthink a whole hidden belief system that their SELF (will) is determined to hold onto, especially now modern society appears to accept overall. Deprogramming will never work.
There are a lot of Christian testimonies of them leaving the gay lifestyle when their identity was now in Jesus, not their sexuality. I don't know about other religions though.
 

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A study found homosexuals make up 33% of crimes against children. Now bear in mind they make up less than 2% of the population that’s quite alarming.

There was a doctor who studied this and said “not all homosexuals are pedophiles but all pedophiles are homosexual”.

its been proven time again there’s no genetic marker making people gay, you are notborn with it so essentially it’s an abnormality of the brain.
Here is an article showing there is no biological reason for gender identity issues I.e. transsexualism either.
 

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What you describe is exactly why the classification of alternative sexualities as mental illness instead of personal sin or spiritual attack was such a wrong move.
People can't just unthink a whole hidden belief system that their SELF (will) is determined to hold onto, especially now modern society appears to accept overall. Deprogramming will never work.
There are a lot of Christian testimonies of them leaving the gay lifestyle when their identity was now in Jesus, not their sexuality. I don't know about other religions though.
I think the hardest part after coming to Christ is renewing the mind. We can get delivered from evil spirits, but the strongholds they built that manifest in thought patterns still linger. If they convinced someone they like this or that for years the demons can leave, but the way a person thinks based off of the strongholds they built still remains. That's why it's important to renew the mind and receive the engrafted word.
 
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