The American “Coup d’etat”

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It's astounding to watch corporate-liberal hacks like Politico and Michele Obama scramble to falsely label Wednesdays events. First it was a coup attempt (because they had repeated it for months), then protest, riot, now for 2 days it was an insurrection lol.

From MW dictionary:
INSURRECTION imply an armed uprising that quickly fails or succeeds.
They know the Biden and Harris reign will be the most in your face power grab/takeover by government the country has seen. They just need to create an image to justify a new age of domestic terrorisism focus with all the protest and opposition to come.
 
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That is federal jurisdiction she doesn’t have authority there. Why did the feds deny and delay sending more help? Why was the guard instructed ahead of time to stand down and put under severe restriction of what they were allowed to do? Who opened the doors? You want soooo badly for trump to be the good guy here you are asking all the wrong questions somehow.
You do know that congress has full control of the Capitol Hill police, right. Not POTUS, not DC Mayor, Congress only. If they were instructed to do anything, ask Congress.
 

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You do know that congress has full control of the Capitol Hill police, right. Not POTUS, not DC Mayor, Congress only. If they were instructed to do anything, ask Congress.
Yeah im pretty sure the post you are quoting as well as the posts I made right after it made my understanding of that fact crystal clear. Congress has hundreds of members from both sides of the political divide. Could have been any one of them. But the executive branch put restrictions on the national guard ahead of the protest and the president declined to activate them once the building was breached. So there are a lot of questions on the table here
 

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Look I’m only even bothering having this conversation with you because I’ve seen you flip flop on the topic of trump and therefore I think on some level you recognize something isn’t exactly “right” - I have known many of you a very long time now. I know you aren’t stupid people and despite disagreeing on things often I don’t think your horrible or whatever. With some rare exceptions. We have a couple different issues here:

1) why do trumps die hard supporters feel like they were doing what he told them to when they broke into the capital - we shouldn’t be ignoring this

2) who aided and abetted this from the inside because it’s blatantly obvious someone did

3) free speech - I will repeat some of the same posters here bitching about trump being banned from a private platform have gotten other members of THIS FORUM banned. So obviously the principle is understood and used for personal advantage when it’s convenient to do so. I do not believe anyone should be banned from social media BUT I understand why the business owners would make that decision considering the present situation. And at the end of the day they are private companies and I’ve heard over and over from people here that private companies have a right to deny services to whom ever they want over the years - I’ve warned at various times that eventually that same reasoning would come back to bite THEM in the ass but no one listens. I don’t agree with them banning him - think it just gives his die bards more fodder and validates their ridiculous nonsense. But again, I understand from a liability perspective why they would.

Anywho apparantly a world expert on cults and mind control wrote a book explaining how trump uses mind control on his supporters that I am now going to try to track down and read. But atleast I know I’m not the only one who’s under this impression.

I used to be rather anti-Trump during my first few months on this forum. But that was because I used to read a lot of MSM news. I realized later all the lies they told about him.

1) Who said they thought that? The MSM news again? And even if they did, why put the blame on Trump for what a few lunatics, QAnons, and even some Antifa agitators might do?

2) Pretty obvious from the videos they were let in by the police. Now the most likely thing is that it was a false flag and a form of agent provocateurism from the police.

3) Yes but VC bans people for real "hate speech". I "got" KF banned (I presume) for example because I reported a few of his posts about Christians being baby killers and that all Jews were "evil and manipulative". He was too dumb to be subtle about it so he got the boot like a few others before him. But VC does not mass ban people for just disagreeing or having an "incorrect" political view like Twitter and FB do.

All we are doing is pointing out the obvious leftytardness of social media while you scream about right wing violence and Trump being the devil incarnate, while the reality is that it goes both sides. You seem to think like vancity that only the right wing is violent or evil or whatever. The reality is that being conservative will get harder and harder as time goes on and social media censorship is proof of it.
 

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They know the Biden and Harris reign will be the most in your face power grab/takeover by government the country has seen. They just need to create an image to justify a new age of domestic terrorisism focus with all the protest and opposition to come.
I agree. And to reply to your post about wikipedia, it's clear who has the power to control the narrative. Let's not forget who owns hollywood, the tech industry, every major news outlet, the recording industry, etc. Their "fact checkers" are also editing the internet archives. What did Orwell say, who controls the past controls the future?

So was the protest a coup attempt or an insurrection? :D


On 6 January, violent supporters of United States President Donald Trump, some armed(?), stormed the U.S. Capitol in an attempt to stop Biden's votes from being counted and him being certified as the winner,... In total, 5 people were killed in the attempted coup. Both the Senate and House chambers were breached...
 
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Yeah im pretty sure the post you are quoting as well as the posts I made right after it made my understanding of that fact crystal clear. Congress has hundreds of members from both sides of the political divide. Could have been any one of them. But the executive branch put restrictions on the national guard ahead of the protest and the president declined to activate them once the building was breached. So there are a lot of questions on the table here
Whoever controls Congress is who made the call. The communist uniparty disguised as Donkeys and Elephants made the call.
 
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When YOU win its "free and fair" Nothing wrong, "the people have spoken" (even though 3 million more voted for the other)

"Democrats sore loosers" "Russia hoax"

When YOU Lose, its

"Coup de tat" "deepstate rigged" "fraud"

You can't really have it both ways.

All I see is people denying reality, (as they have been conditioned to do for 4 years) and crying that their team lost.

It is the height of arrogance to be unable to fathom that such a disaster of a president could actually lose, without fraud. Like seriously ?


So quick to accuse others of cheating, but could never imagine that the orange clown who has lied literally every time his mouth opened the last 4 years, who has done nothing but cheat his entire life, and has the most dubious criminal associations, would EVER cheat. Its hilarious.

Im watching the mental breakdown of a deranged cult.
Are you an American?
 

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I used to be rather anti-Trump during my first few months on this forum. But that was because I used to read a lot of MSM news. I realized later all the lies they told about him.

1) Who said they thought that? The MSM news again? And even if they did, why put the blame on Trump for what a few lunatics, QAnons, and even some Antifa agitators might do?

2) Pretty obvious from the videos they were let in by the police. Now the most likely thing is that it was a false flag and a form of agent provocateurism from the police.

3) Yes but VC bans people for real "hate speech". I "got" KF banned (I presume) for example because I reported a few of his posts about Christians being baby killers and that all Jews were "evil and manipulative". He was too dumb to be subtle about it so he got the boot like a few others before him. But VC does not mass ban people for just disagreeing or having an "incorrect" political view like Twitter and FB do.

All we are doing is pointing out the obvious leftytardness of social media while you scream about right wing violence and Trump being the devil incarnate, while the reality is that it goes both sides. You seem to think like vancity that only the right wing is violent or evil or whatever. The reality is that being conservative will get harder and harder as time goes on and social media censorship is proof of it.
You’ve made statements recently - about how q is bogus, admitting those stats were cooked etc that lead me to believe you aren’t under his spell entirely. There is a difference between agreeing with someone or something and being blinded by those agreements to everything else.

1) they said they did. On the same forums where they made the plans for this “protest”. Go look at them yourself. I provided you an overview but nothing is stopping you from taking a look. And yes - words have power, people with power also have responsibility. We would and have blamed people for telling others to do something when those others then go do it - the example of the girl who goaded her ex into killing himself comes to mind. And that blame is rightfully deserved. No behavior occurs in an environmental vacuum and without context.

2) who told the police to do that and even if they decided to do that on their own... why? Your assuming it’s a false flag to make trump look bad but most law enforcement is aligned WITH trump. Not the other way around.

3) twitter and Facebook are corporate entities. They are also mainstream entities. My husband got a 24 hour ban for saying something like “women are crazy lol” and one of my posts got deleted for talking about aliens. Neither one of us are political posters or aligned with any extreme position. You sign the rules when you sign up. They are free to enforce them as they see fit. That’s what conservatives have asked for - for corporations to be treated as people and even given more special privileges then people. I’ve been against that forever and ever and ever. This is the end result of corporatism and unfettered capitalism and I find it ironic that the people most pissed about it are the ones who vote for the party most supportive of unfettered capitalism

4) I never once said only the right wing is violent. This is a thread about a recent example of right wing violence. I’m not as concerned with them rushing the building or messing with statues as I am with them having Molotov cocktails, handcuffs, gallows, guns, and pipe bombs. I do not support that. And I’m not a fucking Democrat or liberal for the millionth time - I lean left on economic policy. I’d appreciate it if people

Anyway clearly this is pointless but I will leave this here.


“In the Moonies, I was taught to suppress negative thoughts by using a technique called thought stopping. I repeated the phrase “Crush Satan” or “True Parents” (the term used to describe Moon and his wife, Hak Ja Han) whenever any doubt arose in my mind. Another way to control thoughts is through the use of loaded language, which, as Lifton pointed out, is purposely designed to invoke an emotional response. When I look at the list of thought-controlling techniques—reducing complex thoughts into clichés and platitudinous buzz words; forbidding critical questions about the leader, doctrine, or policy; labeling alternative belief systems as illegitimate or evil—it is astounding how many Trump exploits. As I have mentioned, one of the most effective techniques in the thought control arsenal is hypnosis. Scott Adams, the creator of the cartoon Dilbert, described Trump, with his oversimplifications, repetitions, insinuating tone of voice, and use of vivid imagery, as a Master Wizard in the art of hypnosis and persuasion.”
 
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And everyone forgets about the peaceful child murder by Atlanta protests. Still not enough to make liberal posters here question the validity of that movement or why it is justified by the billionaire class when trump supporters were set up to be condemned. 3A9A3611-586D-4C37-BBA7-B39B2DA41FD7.jpeg
Riots destroy new $30M affordable housing project in Minneapolis
 

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You’ve made statements recently - about how q is bogus, admitting those stats were cooked etc that lead me to believe you aren’t under his spell entirely. There is a difference between agreeing with someone or something and being blinded by those agreements to everything else.

1) they said they did. On the same forums where they made the plans for this “protest”. Go look at them yourself. I provided you an overview but nothing is stopping you from taking a look. And yes - words have power, people with power also have responsibility. We would and have blamed people for telling others to do something when those others then go do it - the example of the girl who goaded her ex into killing himself comes to mind. And that blame is rightfully deserved. No behavior occurs in an environmental vacuum and without context.

2) who told the police to do that and even if they decided to do that on their own... why? Your assuming it’s a false flag to make trump look bad but most law enforcement is aligned WITH trump. Not the other way around.

3) twitter and Facebook are corporate entities. They are also mainstream entities. My husband got a 24 hour ban for saying something like “women are crazy lol” and one of my posts got deleted for talking about aliens. Neither one of us are political posters or aligned with any extreme position. You sign the rules when you sign up. They are free to enforce them as they see fit. That’s what conservatives have asked for - for corporations to be treated as people and even given more special privileges then people. I’ve been against that forever and ever and ever. This is the end result of corporatism and unfettered capitalism and I find it ironic that the people most pissed about it are the ones who vote for the party most supportive of unfettered capitalism

4) I never once said only the right wing is violent. This is a thread about a recent example of right wing violence. I’m not as concerned with them rushing the building or messing with statues as I am with them having Molotov cocktails, handcuffs, gallows, guns, and pipe bombs. I do not support that. And I’m not a fucking Democrat or liberal for the millionth time - I lean left on economic policy. I’d appreciate it if people

Anyway clearly this is pointless but I will leave this here.


“In the Moonies, I was taught to suppress negative thoughts by using a technique called thought stopping. I repeated the phrase “Crush Satan” or “True Parents” (the term used to describe Moon and his wife, Hak Ja Han) whenever any doubt arose in my mind. Another way to control thoughts is through the use of loaded language, which, as Lifton pointed out, is purposely designed to invoke an emotional response. When I look at the list of thought-controlling techniques—reducing complex thoughts into clichés and platitudinous buzz words; forbidding critical questions about the leader, doctrine, or policy; labeling alternative belief systems as illegitimate or evil—it is astounding how many Trump exploits. As I have mentioned, one of the most effective techniques in the thought control arsenal is hypnosis. Scott Adams, the creator of the cartoon Dilbert, described Trump, with his oversimplifications, repetitions, insinuating tone of voice, and use of vivid imagery, as a Master Wizard in the art of hypnosis and persuasion.”
Yes QAnon is bogus, and many people who are into politics are crazy. Blaming a SINGLE person for the behaviour of many is stupid. Stop with the TDS please. There are always more than one factor that are involved in causing a certain outcome, especially in politics.

And the police has shown itself in many cases to be pro BLM and pro Antifa. Didnt you see all the cops kneeling during the BLM riots? Marxist, leftism has infiltrated culturally society on a very deep level and you just don't see it.

Social media are corps that can do what they want, I agree to some extent. And without section 230, something that Trump should have had the balls to get rid of, they would not have that power. Some kind of gov intervention is needed always. Just mimimal one. Antitrust laws are good also.

Interesting quote, where did you get that from?
 

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And everyone forgets about the peaceful child murder by Atlanta protests. Still not enough to make liberal posters here question the validity of that movement or why it is justified by the billionaire class when trump supporters were set up to be condemned. View attachment 50481
Riots destroy new $30M affordable housing project in Minneapolis
Whataboutism yet again...

I said they needed to abort ship and stop on day 2. What the fuck else was j supposed to say? Sorry but no, I’m not going to let the fact that they should have aborted ship and did some foul shit distract from the FACT that the police are violent pricks and policing needs to change. The actions of the Capitol police who allowed these protesters or whatever the hell you want to call them waltz right through the door, and the off duty cops who participated just doubles down on that. I have a lifetime of experiences making me dislike and distrust police. I have a right to voice that without being accused of being okay with some criminal killing a child at a protest. To make it perfectly clear: I am not okay with that.
 

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I found this interesting...

The Proud Boys is a far-right, neo-fascist, and male-only political organization that promotes and engages in political violence in the United States and Canada.


Antifa (/ænˈtiːfə, ˈæntiˌfɑː/)[1] is a left-wing anti-fascistand anti-racist political movement in the United States. It is highly decentralized and comprises an array of autonomous groups that aim to achieve their objectives through the use of both nonviolent and violent direct action rather than through policy reform.[2][3][4] Much of antifa political activism is nonviolent, involving poster and flyer campaigns, mutual aid, delivering speeches, marching in protest, and community organizing.[5][6][7] They also engage in protest tactics, seeking to combat fascists and racists such as neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other far-right extremists, and differing from other leftist opposition movements by their willingness to directly confront far-right activists


Notice the bias on wikipedia?
You can find out who made the entries and correct them.
 

justjess

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Yes QAnon is bogus, and many people who are into politics are crazy. Blaming a SINGLE person for the behaviour of many is stupid. Stop with the TDS please. There are always more than one factor that are involved in causing a certain outcome, especially in politics.

And the police has shown itself in many cases to be pro BLM and pro Antifa. Didnt you see all the cops kneeling during the BLM riots? Marxist, leftism has infiltrated culturally society on a very deep level and you just don't see it.

Social media are corps that can do what they want, I agree to some extent. And without section 230, something that Trump should have had the balls to get rid of, they would not have that power. Some kind of gov intervention is needed always. Just mimimal one. Antitrust laws are good also.

Interesting quote, where did you get that from?
I linked an interview with the author of the book a couple posts before that. Apparantly there is a whole book about how trump is using mind control to create a cult written by an international expert on mind control and cults who used to be a member of the unification cult. I had no idea when I made my comments here... I googled it to find more info after everyone told me my gut was wrong and that’s what came up.



I’m two months away from a masters degree in behavior analysis. Which is basically skinnerism. No behavior occurs in an environmental vaccuum - the feeling of being cheated and the country being destroyed is what is called a motivating operation, but for a motivating operation to elicit a behavior there needs to be a discriminative stimuli present that indicates there will be reinforcement for that behavior at the end. What do you think that would be in this case?
 

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I linked an interview with the author of the book a couple posts before that. Apparantly there is a whole book about how trump is using mind control to create a cult written by an international expert on mind control and cults who used to be a member of the unification cult. I had no idea when I made my comments here... I googled it to find more info after everyone told me my gut was wrong and that’s what came up.



I’m two months away from a masters degree in behavior analysis. Which is basically skinnerism. No behavior occurs in an environmental vaccuum - the feeling of being cheated and the country being destroyed is what is called a motivating operation, but for a motivating operation to elicit a behavior there needs to be a discriminative stimuli present that indicates there will be reinforcement for that behavior at the end. What do you think that would be in this case?
Good job! I remember vaguely Skinner, not in a good way though.
 

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"One Leader of Behaviorism
Skinner was an American psychologist best-known for his influence on behaviorism. Skinner referred to his own philosophy as 'radical behaviorism' and suggested that the concept of free will was simply an illusion. All human action, he instead believed, was the direct result of conditioning"

So the equivalent of a Calvinist but for psychology. I dont like this guy. :D
 
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