The Bible is full of suffering

Bubbajay

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1- History. You mention history. So... you've already forgotten about... Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan?

And what about the attacks on Muslims by Hindutva mobs in India? Or what about the genocide of Bosnian Muslims? Or what about Palestine and Kashmir? Or what about the shooting in that mosque in New Zealand? Or Afghanistan being invaded and occupied by the US military for decades. What about the French in Algeria? I think it's interesting how the French committed r*pe but yet French aren't depicted as rapists. What about Italy in Libya? What about Churchill's genocide of Bengalis? What about the British in India? What about the British invading Afghanistan? What about the Soviets in Afghanistan?

You have a very one-sided view of history. There was just an incident of an Moroccan immigrant getting killed in Texas. If that was a Christian getting killed in a Muslim country, you'd say it's Muslims killing Christians but since it's the reverse it's like nothing to you.

2- Pretty much any nonwhite culture gets portrayed as rapists. The reality is that r*pe is a problem in all cultures... whether Afghanistan or Alabama.
My point was you were trying to picture Islam as an innocent type of "scapegoat" when nothing could be further from the truth. I love all every day Muslims, particularly the Palestinians. Israel shouldn't exist in my opinion. Its a stench in Gods nostrils. The homo of Christ rejecting antichrists.
 

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Of course you have to factor in the innately revolutionary (in leftwing political terms) nature of such acts. It is not religious norm or doctrine of either religion to carry out such acts on an individual basis, one thing that seems to only be considered a footnote in western history is the sheer amount of revolutionary political moments (starting around the 18th/19th century) which spawned this idea of revolutionary violent acts in order to coerce (over time this became a big asset to capitalism and democratic rhetoric but that is another topic).
The more you go back in history the less frequent this phenomenon is.
The thuggee cult was absolutely real. The thugges who were caught turned informant and ratted on the others. They led them to the mass graves. Bodies were dug up. Paranoia lol
 

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Revolution and uprisings have been a thing as long as civilization. I won’t argue that the American Revolution just replaced monarchy with mercantilism, or that the French Revolution lead to bloodshed and tyranny or that the Russian Revolution lead to anything other darkness but it is what is it, as long as the concept of nations existed so has Revolution and uprisings
I'm not speaking (above) in the general, I am speaking specifically in terms of tactic and certain specifics attached to the way that these kinds of groups see themselves and their historical context.
 

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The thuggee cult was absolutely real. The thugges who were caught turned informant and ratted on the others. They led them to the mass graves. Bodies were dug up. Paranoia lol
Again this is already addressed and your insistence in continuing to derail discussion with red herrings and non-sequiturs prevails.

Islam, Thuggee, hair care products, lawnmowing services and tacos have nothing to do with with the word מָשִׁיחַ in question.
 

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Revolution and uprisings have been a thing as long as civilization. I won’t argue that the American Revolution just replaced monarchy with mercantilism, or that the French Revolution lead to bloodshed and tyranny or that the Russian Revolution lead to anything other darkness but it is what is it, as long as the concept of nations existed so has Revolution and uprisings
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Again this is already addressed and your insistence in continuing to derail discussion with red herrings and non-sequiturs prevails.

Islam, Thuggee, hair care products, lawnmowing services and tacos have nothing to do with with the word מָשִׁיחַ in question.
What translation are you using? Does it even exist? Food for thought
 

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It’s easy to get a confession out of someone lol, doesn’t make it true. If the Thugs existed it was not nearly as wide spread or prominent as the British would have you believe.
The dead bodies in mass graves were dug up in the groves where they were buried. The physical evidence was uncovered.
 

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Which part of the Qur'an was that?
These are Angels in the Bible:








"Don not Be Afraid" (Luke 2:10 etc)

I wonder why :rolleyes:





Like a typical ignoramus, you try to derail the discussion to being about Islam rather than the Bible, of which I've given objective facts and refuted your categorical fallacies. It is clear that you are not very familiar with either the Holy Torah, nor Jesus himself.
As if there is an actual point from which to derail, beyond the surface skimming Bible is miserable.

Put simply: Islam follows a different god. That is the only logical conclusion.
 

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There are not 45,000 different denominations. This is false, and used by Roman Catholic apologists against Protestants.you'd be hard pressed to name a dozen. They got that figure by claiming each independent church was a denomination in itself. You can't believe everything you read, you have to dig a bit deeper.
Many sources state the 30-40,000 number but a page I just looked up says they're organizations not denominations which is an interesting idea. I guess it comes down to what we define as unique. These separate Churches are still an amazing phenomenon. My observation was the branches all have an exact history being formed mostly over the last 200 years.
 

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I'm not using a translation, I am using the Hebrew. How many times do I have to repeat this before you comprehend this.
I'm done with circle arguments. You refuse to acknowledge that there's a difference between a lower case letter, and an upper case invoking deity. The word is used to describe kings and priest, which Jesus is the King of kings, and high priest after the order of melchizedek and also the Son of God like in the book of Daniel. That's why an upper case is used when he's mentioned by that name in the NT. Jesus was the God of the OT. He created the world.
 

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As if there is an actual point from which to derail, beyond the surface skimming Bible is miserable.
If you think the Bible is miserable, you can think that but I would have to strongly disagree with you @elsbet

Put simply: Islam follows a different god. That is the only logical conclusion.
Again with these non-sequiturs, I don't see any relevance to your views on Islam and this thread's discussion on the Bible. Bubbajay brought up Islam, not me, and is insistent of continuing to bring it up with no relevance to my discussion with him (or with you for that matter).
 

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You refuse to acknowledge that there's a difference between a lower case letter, and an upper case invoking deity. The word is used to describe kings and priest, which Jesus is the King of kings, and high priest after the order of melchizedek and also the Son of God like in the book of Daniel. That's why an upper case is used when he's mentioned by that name in the NT. Jesus was the God of the OT. He created the world.
This right here is called making claims upon claims.

Even just one of these claims again - when has the word Moshiach ever etymologically denoted "deity", whether capitalized or not?

You don't see to understand that Trinitarian theology uses terms like Moshiach, Savior and God all in conjunction with each other but the definitions of the terms are not synonymous at all. This is just self-evident even on the most basic level. And even Trinitarian theology doesn't use them as synonoyms, they use it as attributive formulas and titles of aspects of the Trinitarian view of Jesus.

At the very best, the word Moshiach capitalized would denote itself in the singular. You haven't even begun to attempt to construct an argument Bubba.
 

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Many sources state the 30-40,000 number but a page I just looked up says they're organizations not denominations which is an interesting idea. I guess it comes down to what we define as unique. These separate Churches are still an amazing phenomenon. My observation was the branches all have an exact history being formed mostly over the last 200 years.
The idea of a huge church encompassing everyone in Christendom was invented by the Roman Catholic church. Their history is really interesting. In the bible there were many separate churces, not one giant church.

The title of "supreme pontif" was given to the bishop of Rome in the early 7th century (606ad I believe). It was given by the Roman emperor Phocas to the bishop of Rome in exchange for the bishop recognising him as emperor after he usurped the previous emperor in a military coup. Basically Phocas was a military general in the army, and assassinated the emperor then took power. It was a "I scratch your back, you scratch mine" type of thing. This is how the Catho!if church as we know it today started. After 606 the Roman church just started growing bigger using anything at its disposal to gain power, wealth, and influence.
 

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Great, so are you now finally ready to start actually providing counterarguments and backing up your claims? (after almost 8 pages of circling around yourself)
You truly are a weirdo. Obviously you live to argue on here.
 

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This right here is called making claims upon claims.

Even just one of these claims again - when has the word Moshiach ever etymologically denoted "deity", whether capitalized or not?

You don't see to understand that Trinitarian theology uses terms like Moshiach, Savior and God all in conjunction with each other but the definitions of the terms are not synonymous at all. This is just self-evident even on the most basic level. And even Trinitarian theology doesn't use them as synonoyms, they use it as attributive formulas and titles of aspects of the Trinitarian view of Jesus.

At the very best, the word Moshiach capitalized would denote itself in the singular. You haven't even begun to attempt to construct an argument Bubba.
Are you dyslexic? I've stated in the Testament its capitalized. How hard is it to understand? You're trying to give the impression that Jesus won't mentioned in the OT, even though there around 100 prophecies he fulfilled from the OT. He's mention as the Son of God in the book of Daniel. Read the story of Daniel in the lions den. It literally says Son of God. Daniel destroys your vain imagination. I guarantee you won't try and argue Daniel. You're fixated on this moot point that means nothing.
 

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You are stating blatantly false things on the most fundamental level.

And again with the personal attacks, really you choose to stay that low.
Aren't you on here 10 hours a day? Morning, noon, and night? Do you have a job, or is internet trolling your job?
 
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