Who do Muslims really worship?

[Bubbajay]

Is this how you try to deceive the people, mate? Why don't you show us the full verse?

Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father (WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK HE'S REFERRING TO? JOHN CENA?). How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? (WHO IS HE?) The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority (IT MEANS HE CAN'T DO A THING WITHOUT THE SAY OF HIS FATHER). Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work (FATHER, GOD, ALMIGHTY GET IT? NOT JESUS BEING GOD). 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing (IT MEANS JESUS WAS PERFORMING SOME MIRACLES HERE AND THERE, THANKS TO GOD), and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father (DO YOU BELIEVE JESUS IS GOING TO HIMSELF? A GOD RETURNING TO HIMSELF?). 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

Funny how you just glance over clear verses where Thomas worships him as God, then Jesus goes on to state how important faith in him is. Mental gymnastics at its finest.

 

[Bubbajay]

What a sweet child! As the saying goes, "Out of the mouths of babes." She's obviously trying to make sense of what she's reading - smart kid!

It wouldn't surprise me if you get your doctrine from 4 year old children.

 

[Bubbajay]

I can also say "Me and my father (biological one) are one" does that mean I'm freaking God?
Does that mean my father is God or my God, does it mean my biological father is your God? He also said he is the truth, does that mean he's God, too? Just because he's the truth? Haha, this is getting hilarious, you can't make this up.

He never said that he's God, show me where he says that he's God, that we should worship him, and I'll give up Islam right away.
A very simple and easy question, don't go and beat around the bush like most of you Christians do, show me where he says that he is God, in his own words, that we should worship him. Very simple question, it's not like I was asking you to solve me the hidden secrets of the Gaza pyramid.

The thing is, you CAN'T, none of you Christian people CAN'T, you'll show me some verses I, myself, know, and have learnt, such as that famous verse "Before Abraham was, I AM," he never said I AM GOD.
Do you guys think that he was speaking in Chinese back then to make you people understand that he never said he's God, that he never said worship me, or what?

Let's say he's "God," for example, what kind of "God" doesn't tell his people not to worship him? What kind of God allows himself to be killed off, to be mocked, to be laughed, to be tortured, to be nailed on a cross?

Also, there are many Christian people who believe that God sent himself on Earth to understand "people better." Like, what in tarnation?
Are you guys hearing yourself? He sent himself to Earth to understand mankind? Wow, no comment, this is something where you can't help yourself but to shake your head only.

Before Abraham, he existed, even the angels existed before Abraham, etc., etc., that doesn't make him a God, does it?
Jesus was with God before Abraham.

Many Christians consider this as a proof that Jesus is God because he is eternal. However, this language was pretty much common in the Bible, and it only means that he was in God’s foreknowledge.
The word “I AM” doesn't mean anything, it doesn’t claim divinity, anyone can say I am. I can say I AM, you can say I AM, I AM with God, God is WITH ME, SHE is with God, etc.

If Jesus wanted to be worshipped, then he'd make it crystal clear and not beating around the bush; "I am GOD, the Almighty, the most merciful in the entire Universe, worship me." etc.

Jesus is and will never be a God, he was nothing but a mere prophet, a powerful one.

Yes it God is your literal Father, that would make you God. Since he only has one begotten Son, looks like you're out of luck.

 

[Bubbajay]

You all can't understand the idea that Jesus and his Father are one just as the church is one. Read the gospel of John.

 

[Maldarker]

Funny how you just glance over clear verses where Thomas worships him as God, then Jesus goes on to state how important faith in him is. Mental gymnastics at its finest.

None of the disciples would have ever bowed down to him if he wasn't.

The Disciples Were Not Afraid To Worship Jesus (Even Though They Should Have Been)
The disciples of Jesus were raised in a first century Jewish culture and faith system, so they understood the universally accepted notion that God alone is worthy of our worship. This concept was central to the Ten Commandments (see Exodus 20:3-6) and was repeatedly taught throughout the Jewish scripture (see Deuteronomy 4:35, 6:4, 6:13-16, and 32:39, 2 Samuel 7:22, Isaiah 8:13, and Isaiah 43:10-11). The Old Testament was clear about this truth; Yahweh was the only God the Jews were to love, fear, worship and revere. The authors of the New Testament repeated this message often. Jesus frequently quoted the Jewish scriptures, proclaiming the existence of one God we are to serve and worship (see Matthew 4:10). The New Testament provides us with a number of examples of people trying to worship something or someone other than God, and then being instructed to worship God alone (take a look at Revelation 22:8-9, Acts 10:25-26 and 14:11-15). The disciples, like other first century Jewish believers, understood that God alone was to be worshiped. To worship something or someone other than God was to be an idolater, and this violated the first commandment of God.

That’s why it is amazing that from Jesus’ very first appearance on planet earth, He was worshiped as God. The fact that Jesus was worshiped in this way (in a culture that demanded and commanded the worship of God alone) is a powerful evidence of Jesus’ Deity. We either have to believe that thousands upon thousands of eyewitnesses and early believers (all of whom were much closer to Jesus than we are today) were in dangerous rebellion to their cultural and moral law or convinced by their observations Jesus was God:

The wise men worshiped Him from the moment He was born
On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold and of incense and of myrrh. (Matthew 2:10-12)

The leper worshiped Him at his healing
And behold, a leper came to Him, and bowed down to Him, saying, “Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.” (Matthew 8:2)

The synagogue ruler worshiped Him
While He was saying these things to them, behold, there came a synagogue official, and bowed down before Him, saying, “My daughter has just died; but come and lay Your hand on her, and she will live.” (Matthew 9:18-19)

The disciples worshiped him in the boat
And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.” (Matthew 14:32-33)

The Canaanite woman worshiped Him
But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” (Matthew 15:25-26)

The mother of James and John worshipped Him
Then the mother of the sons of Zebedee came to Him with her sons, bowing down, and making a request of Him. (Matthew 20:20-21)

The blind man worshiped Him at his healing
Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?” “Who is he, sir?” the man asked. “Tell me so that I may believe in him.” Jesus said, “You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you.” Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him. (John 9:35-38)

The women worshiped Him at the empty tomb
So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him. (Matthew 28:8-10)

The disciples worshiped Him at the Ascension
Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him (Matthew 28:16-17)

From His first days on earth to His last, Jesus was worshiped as God. Those who were in a position to see His power, hear His teaching and witness His resurrection were convinced by what they saw. Jesus claimed to be God, and then demonstrated the power and authority that belongs to God alone. The disciples responded in worship, even though their Jewish upbringing taught them the danger of worshiping anything or anyone other than God. The disciples worshiped Jesus without fear because they knew they were not breaking the commands of God. They knew they were still worshiping the only true God.

 

[Bubbajay]

If the whole mankind was about to jump from the 6th floor, would you jump, too? I mean, why not? Everyone is doing it, so why shouldn't I do it, too, right? If everyone said that Donald Trump is the AntiChrist, why shouldn't I believe them? Hey, everyone believes in it, so I must believe in it, too.
It's a genuine question, brother.

But wait, who's this Paul person you speak of? Who in the gracious world is Paul? Someone important?
Why should a guy who calls himself Paul, an irrelevant person who's not even connected to Jesus at all, never met him before, tell us something about the angels coming? He's not the prophet, he's not the messenger, he has no power. Therefore, Paul is irrelevant.

He had a vision of Jesus, that's right, a bloody VISION, which is not the same as meeting Jesus.

The sixth floor jump didn't stop you from believing the words of a demon possessed (his own family first thought), illiterate, pederast.

 

[Bubbajay]

None of the disciples would have ever bowed down to him if he wasn't.

The Disciples Were Not Afraid To Worship Jesus (Even Though They Should Have Been)
The disciples of Jesus were raised in a first century Jewish culture and faith system, so they understood the universally accepted notion that God alone is worthy of our worship. This concept was central to the Ten Commandments (see Exodus 20:3-6) and was repeatedly taught throughout the Jewish scripture (see Deuteronomy 4:35, 6:4, 6:13-16, and 32:39, 2 Samuel 7:22, Isaiah 8:13, and Isaiah 43:10-11). The Old Testament was clear about this truth; Yahweh was the only God the Jews were to love, fear, worship and revere. The authors of the New Testament repeated this message often. Jesus frequently quoted the Jewish scriptures, proclaiming the existence of one God we are to serve and worship (see Matthew 4:10). The New Testament provides us with a number of examples of people trying to worship something or someone other than God, and then being instructed to worship God alone (take a look at Revelation 22:8-9, Acts 10:25-26 and 14:11-15). The disciples, like other first century Jewish believers, understood that God alone was to be worshiped. To worship something or someone other than God was to be an idolater, and this violated the first commandment of God.

That’s why it is amazing that from Jesus’ very first appearance on planet earth, He was worshiped as God. The fact that Jesus was worshiped in this way (in a culture that demanded and commanded the worship of God alone) is a powerful evidence of Jesus’ Deity. We either have to believe that thousands upon thousands of eyewitnesses and early believers (all of whom were much closer to Jesus than we are today) were in dangerous rebellion to their cultural and moral law or convinced by their observations Jesus was God:

The wise men worshiped Him from the moment He was born
On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold and of incense and of myrrh. (Matthew 2:10-12)

The leper worshiped Him at his healing
And behold, a leper came to Him, and bowed down to Him, saying, “Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.” (Matthew 8:2)

The synagogue ruler worshiped Him
While He was saying these things to them, behold, there came a synagogue official, and bowed down before Him, saying, “My daughter has just died; but come and lay Your hand on her, and she will live.” (Matthew 9:18-19)

The disciples worshiped him in the boat
And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.” (Matthew 14:32-33)

The Canaanite woman worshiped Him
But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” (Matthew 15:25-26)

The mother of James and John worshipped Him
Then the mother of the sons of Zebedee came to Him with her sons, bowing down, and making a request of Him. (Matthew 20:20-21)

The blind man worshiped Him at his healing
Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?” “Who is he, sir?” the man asked. “Tell me so that I may believe in him.” Jesus said, “You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you.” Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him. (John 9:35-38)

The women worshiped Him at the empty tomb
So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him. (Matthew 28:8-10)

The disciples worshiped Him at the Ascension
Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him (Matthew 28:16-17)

From His first days on earth to His last, Jesus was worshiped as God. Those who were in a position to see His power, hear His teaching and witness His resurrection were convinced by what they saw. Jesus claimed to be God, and then demonstrated the power and authority that belongs to God alone. The disciples responded in worship, even though their Jewish upbringing taught them the danger of worshiping anything or anyone other than God. The disciples worshiped Jesus without fear because they knew they were not breaking the commands of God. They knew they were still worshiping the only true God.

They'd rather believe a p***phile who claimed a new religion 600 years after the fact. Muhammad used the OT, Jesus, and the promise of virgins to gain followers. Then they conquered Arabia and forced everyone to believe in his false religion or die.

 

[Orwell's mentor]

It wouldn't surprise me if you get your doctrine from 4 year old children.

No, she's just a wise child that's thinking. That said, I'm putting you on ignore. You have a real abrasive and miserable online personality and aren't here to debate/discuss anything intellectually. You haven't even been here a month, and already you've insulted more people on here than I care to count.

Later.

 

[Maldarker]

They'd rather believe a p***phile who claimed a new religion 600 years after the fact. Muhammad used the OT, Jesus, and the promise of virgins to gain followers. Then they conquered Arabia and forced everyone to believe in his false religion or die.

Here's the other thing. You got one guy saying Paul seeing Vision is crazy, but not Mohammed seeing a vision hmm wtf is wrong with that can't have it both ways.

 

[seekinheart]

Anyone think it's funny that Muslims never get insulted nor criticised on mainstream media, but Christians always do.

 

[DavidSon]

None of the disciples would have ever bowed down to him if he wasn't.

The Disciples Were Not Afraid To Worship Jesus (Even Though They Should Have Been)
The disciples of Jesus were raised in a first century Jewish culture and faith system, so they understood the universally accepted notion that God alone is worthy of our worship. This concept was central to the Ten Commandments (see Exodus 20:3-6) and was repeatedly taught throughout the Jewish scripture (see Deuteronomy 4:35, 6:4, 6:13-16, and 32:39, 2 Samuel 7:22, Isaiah 8:13, and Isaiah 43:10-11). The Old Testament was clear about this truth; Yahweh was the only God the Jews were to love, fear, worship and revere. The authors of the New Testament repeated this message often. Jesus frequently quoted the Jewish scriptures, proclaiming the existence of one God we are to serve and worship (see Matthew 4:10). The New Testament provides us with a number of examples of people trying to worship something or someone other than God, and then being instructed to worship God alone (take a look at Revelation 22:8-9, Acts 10:25-26 and 14:11-15). The disciples, like other first century Jewish believers, understood that God alone was to be worshiped. To worship something or someone other than God was to be an idolater, and this violated the first commandment of God.

That’s why it is amazing that from Jesus’ very first appearance on planet earth, He was worshiped as God. The fact that Jesus was worshiped in this way (in a culture that demanded and commanded the worship of God alone) is a powerful evidence of Jesus’ Deity. We either have to believe that thousands upon thousands of eyewitnesses and early believers (all of whom were much closer to Jesus than we are today) were in dangerous rebellion to their cultural and moral law or convinced by their observations Jesus was God:

The wise men worshiped Him from the moment He was born
On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold and of incense and of myrrh. (Matthew 2:10-12)

The leper worshiped Him at his healing
And behold, a leper came to Him, and bowed down to Him, saying, “Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.” (Matthew 8:2)

The synagogue ruler worshiped Him
While He was saying these things to them, behold, there came a synagogue official, and bowed down before Him, saying, “My daughter has just died; but come and lay Your hand on her, and she will live.” (Matthew 9:18-19)

The disciples worshiped him in the boat
And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.” (Matthew 14:32-33)

The Canaanite woman worshiped Him
But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” (Matthew 15:25-26)

The mother of James and John worshipped Him
Then the mother of the sons of Zebedee came to Him with her sons, bowing down, and making a request of Him. (Matthew 20:20-21)

The blind man worshiped Him at his healing
Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?” “Who is he, sir?” the man asked. “Tell me so that I may believe in him.” Jesus said, “You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you.” Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him. (John 9:35-38)

The women worshiped Him at the empty tomb
So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him. (Matthew 28:8-10)

The disciples worshiped Him at the Ascension
Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him (Matthew 28:16-17)

From His first days on earth to His last, Jesus was worshiped as God. Those who were in a position to see His power, hear His teaching and witness His resurrection were convinced by what they saw. Jesus claimed to be God, and then demonstrated the power and authority that belongs to God alone. The disciples responded in worship, even though their Jewish upbringing taught them the danger of worshiping anything or anyone other than God. The disciples worshiped Jesus without fear because they knew they were not breaking the commands of God. They knew they were still worshiping the only true God.

Thank you for the laugh tonight. Such a Babylonian, Pagan, Roman apologetic for denying the authority of God the Almighty. 4 of the 9 examples don't even say worshiped, it says bowed to lol.

Jesus being the leader and Messiah doesn't make him God- which is why he rebuked the deluded, faithless people who tried to idolize him. And here we go the same weak-hearts exist today that just don't get what this culture is about. Judaism is from the East, Christianity is from the East, and so is Islam. It's why Christianity is dying out in the West- because your people never really understood this lifestyle.

All godless neo-Crusader Christians who disrespect Islam are already burning in hell, drowning in their lies.

 

[Daze]

No, she's just a wise child that's thinking. That said, I'm putting you on ignore. You have a real abrasive and miserable online personality and aren't here to debate/discuss anything intellectually. You haven't even been here a month, and already you've insulted more people on here than I care to count.

Later.

While i don't read every post on here, i do beleive you are the 4th person to publicly announce ignoring our friend Bubba.

Crazy, isn't it? How so many people don't want to hear the words of Jesus? That's who these Christians represent right? Loving thy neighbor, turning of the cheek and all that?

Truth is it is the devils that drive them. All you have to do is read thier posts as mockery, laughter and insults are all they know.

 

[Lyfe]

Who goes to hell according to Islam?

 

[Daze]

All godless neo-Crusader Christians who disrespect Islam are already burning in hell, drowning in their lies.

That's a fact, punishment starts the second one enters his grave. Such as this guy who beat his own mother.

 

[fotw]

It wouldn't surprise me if you get your doctrine from 4 year old children.

You should be more careful.

Matthew
18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the Kingdom of heaven?
18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and [then] become as little children, ye shall NOT enter into the Kingdom of heaven.
18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the Kingdom of heaven.
18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Mark
10:13 And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and [his] disciples rebuked those that brought [them].
10:14 But when Jesus saw [it], he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the Kingdom of God.
10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the Kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
10:16 And he took them up in his arms, put [his] hands upon them, and blessed them.
10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit Eternal Life?
10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou ME good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God.

 

[seekinheart]

That's a fact, punishment starts the second one enters his grave. Such as this guy who beat his own mother.

U guys really buy into some ridiculous stuff

 

[DavidSon]

That's a fact, punishment starts the second one enters his grave. Such as this guy who beat his own mother.

Thanks I started the story and will continue later.

Not taking away from the greater judgement of our soul but judgement exists always. The Bible says, "He who digs a pit falls into it." "The wicked prosper for only so long." We are tapped into the field of God's creation and everything is connected. The laws of life are universal and those who disgrace truth are suffering tremendously.

The ignorance here is sickening to me because I've never heard the same vileness from Muslims toward Christians. Yes correction on the source and path of the Abrahamic faith, some ribbing, but not utter lies and hatred. The bunch of souped up David Wood clones, dead hearted neo-Crusaders online are guilty of pushing people away from the concept of God.

 

[AdjeYen]

It's amazing what some people believe really. If the media was correct on Islam, most of the haters would not be here. After all, 2 billion "terrorists", what chance would they have?

I mean, it's just hilarious to me what they're trying to prove here, most of the Christian people all get heated or fired up when you start a debate with them about Jesus, they all start to point with their fingers and use offensive language. "Muslims can't be Muslims if they deny Jesus as God" and similar subjects.

It's just ridiculous to me, if they want to believe in Jesus being as God, let them believe, then, let them worship Jesus, God, the Holy Spirit, whatever else there is, but Christian people tolerate everything, that's a big fact, a reality check for them to swallow, but yet they get hurt, they get offended because they know it's the truth.

If anyone is defending their religion, their prophets, it's us, the Muslims.

 

[AdjeYen]

Who goes to hell according to Islam?

Everybody, including Muslims, those whose bad deeds exceeds good deeds and if Allah 'till that moment have not pardoned them.

 

[seekinheart]

Thank you for the laugh tonight. Such a Babylonian, Pagan, Roman apologetic for denying the authority of God the Almighty. 4 of the 9 examples don't even say worshiped, it says bowed to lol.

Jesus being the leader and Messiah doesn't make him God- which is why he rebuked the deluded, faithless people who tried to idolize him. And here we go the same weak-hearts exist today that just don't get what this culture is about. Judaism is from the East, Christianity is from the East, and so is Islam. It's why Christianity is dying out in the West- because your people never really understood this lifestyle.

All godless neo-Crusader Christians who disrespect Islam are already burning in hell, drowning in their lies.

How can a Christian be godless... Makes 0 sense.

Thanks I started the story and will continue later.

Not taking away from the greater judgement of our soul but judgement exists always. The Bible says, "He who digs a pit falls into it." "The wicked prosper for only so long." We are tapped into the field of God's creation and everything is connected. The laws of life are universal and those who disgrace truth are suffering tremendously.

The ignorance here is sickening to me because I've never heard the same vileness from Muslims toward Christians. Yes correction on the source and path of the Abrahamic faith, some ribbing, but not utter lies and hatred. The bunch of souped up David Wood clones, dead hearted neo-Crusaders online are guilty of pushing people away from the concept of God.

U mad ?