Who do Muslims really worship?

[TempestOfTempo]

That's why people like you tolerate everything.
We, the Muslim brothers and sisters, refuse to be mocked. We refuse to be laughed at, refuse to allow others to mock our prophets, our religion. If I respect your beliefs, then why are you attacking me and my belief?
If you tolerate everything, then you stand for nothing. Have a nice day.

I dont tolerate the epidemic of child-r*pe, female genital mutilation, forced marriages, honor killings, infantacide, taharrush, bachi bazi and etc. etc. from people who claim to be Muslims... all perpetrated under the cloak of "Islamic shariah/hadeeth" interpretations. I'm defending the deen of Islam and calling out "Muslims" who participate in these abhorrent, haraam and forbidden practices while claiming to represent Islam... if what I have described is your "faith" then you have clearly claimed something, but dont call it Islam. Islam has clearly made these wicked practices illegal, while born-and-bred "Muslims" have re-inserted them (and even worse) into their "religion".

 

[TempestOfTempo]

It was Nikon who said it came from Babylon, I was taking his word for it. Again it does prove it, but I haven't checked to verify his claims.

The more I think about it the more I believe it to be true. Actually it is. Too much evidence when Muslim and non Muslim proofs are put together.

You may not think so, but the fact that the Muslim flags symbolism means exactly what the Suits claim it does, and the fact by Nikon that the star and moon originated in Babylon. That's pretty damning evidence. There's no doubt the star and sun have the symbolic meaning attributed by the Sufis, it has for thousands of years.

"It was Nikon who said it came from Babylon, I was taking his word for it."
The basis of your contentions comes from someone you are in public disagreement with and you admit you never "checked to verify his claims"... No wonder this discussion was going nowhere fast.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

A main problem with Islam is the status of Jesus in it. The Muslims believe Jesus was only a prophet (and a lesser prophet than Muhammad). Yet they want us to believe God sent Jesus to us despite knowing how the ´silly Christians´ would mistake him for a divine savior being. This doesn´t make any sense. There is no reason for Jesus to have been sent and known if he was just a misunderstood prophet who would get replaced by Muhammad just a few centuries later. Moreover, the Muslims have an enormous problem explaining away the whole Bible, a book which makes it clear Jesus is the savior. In the Muslims perspective on the world, the Bible and Jesus are both massive sources of confusion, which makes no sense when they want to call him a venerated prophet.

Islam also has the problem of Christianity arising in the first place. There is no reason Christianity would rise unless the people witnessed something incredible happen with Jesus (his crucifixion and resurrection). Islam just states that the Christians were somehow all wrong, and that all the events listed in the Bible didn´t happen... yet, at the same time Muslims believe the Quran is flawless, making one wonder why Allah didn´t just send the Quran immediately rather than wait for the Bible to spawn two ´false´religions (Judaism and Christianity) first.

"Yet they want us to believe God sent Jesus to us despite knowing how the ´silly Christians´ would mistake him for a divine savior being."
Except that Jesus wasnt a Christian himself.

 

[Bubbajay]

"It was Nikon who said it came from Babylon, I was taking his word for it."
The basis of your contentions comes from someone you are in public disagreement with and you admit you never "checked to verify his claims"... No wonder this discussion was going nowhere fast.

I really don't need to " verify" anything. As stated numerous times before the star and moon motif is thousands of years older than Islam.

What's funny is Muslim apologists want you to believe it means something different than it meant to other pagan religions. The British fully exposed Islam for what it is during their excursions into Muslim countries. They documented everything.

 

[Bubbajay]

That's why people like you tolerate everything.
We, the Muslim brothers and sisters, refuse to be mocked. We refuse to be laughed at, refuse to allow others to mock our prophets, our religion. If I respect your beliefs, then why are you attacking me and my belief?
If you tolerate everything, then you stand for nothing. Have a nice day.

Muslims tolerate christians by killing them. Its happening today.

 

[AdjeYen]

Oh dear...


The whole passage in mark 10 is challenging the man's self righteousness and concept of what is good. He plays dumb with the man throughout the passage challenging his assumptions. He didn't say "I'm not good" he said why do you call me good. He's hinting that he is actually God.


It's very telling that Jesus said who do you say that I am to the disciples, he didn't proclaim who he was to them, Peter actually stated who he was and Jesus confirmed it. If the young man had said because I perceive you are the son of God. I'm sure Jesus would have praised the man but he was challenging this man's legalism and goodness in the eyes of people. Hence why he told him to sell everything he had. Which he never told others to do because he knew this man had an attachment to money and position within society.

At times Jesus told people not to mention anything about what he just did.

Ontop of that spoke in parables because he wanted people to come to there own understanding of who he truly was.

And Muslims still want him to say the three words I AM GOD! Which he did when he said he was before Abraham. Said he and the father are one.

You would have to ask yourself as a Muslim, am I simply someone who did not have ears to hear because you fit the bill very well.

I can also say "Me and my father (biological one) are one" does that mean I'm freaking God?
Does that mean my father is God or my God, does it mean my biological father is your God? He also said he is the truth, does that mean he's God, too? Just because he's the truth? Haha, this is getting hilarious, you can't make this up.

He never said that he's God, show me where he says that he's God, that we should worship him, and I'll give up Islam right away.
A very simple and easy question, don't go and beat around the bush like most of you Christians do, show me where he says that he is God, in his own words, that we should worship him. Very simple question, it's not like I was asking you to solve me the hidden secrets of the Gaza pyramid.

The thing is, you CAN'T, none of you Christian people CAN'T, you'll show me some verses I, myself, know, and have learnt, such as that famous verse "Before Abraham was, I AM," he never said I AM GOD.
Do you guys think that he was speaking in Chinese back then to make you people understand that he never said he's God, that he never said worship me, or what?

Let's say he's "God," for example, what kind of "God" doesn't tell his people not to worship him? What kind of God allows himself to be killed off, to be mocked, to be laughed, to be tortured, to be nailed on a cross?

Also, there are many Christian people who believe that God sent himself on Earth to understand "people better." Like, what in tarnation?
Are you guys hearing yourself? He sent himself to Earth to understand mankind? Wow, no comment, this is something where you can't help yourself but to shake your head only.

Before Abraham, he existed, even the angels existed before Abraham, etc., etc., that doesn't make him a God, does it?
Jesus was with God before Abraham.

Many Christians consider this as a proof that Jesus is God because he is eternal. However, this language was pretty much common in the Bible, and it only means that he was in God’s foreknowledge.
The word “I AM” doesn't mean anything, it doesn’t claim divinity, anyone can say I am. I can say I AM, you can say I AM, I AM with God, God is WITH ME, SHE is with God, etc.

If Jesus wanted to be worshipped, then he'd make it crystal clear and not beating around the bush; "I am GOD, the Almighty, the most merciful in the entire Universe, worship me." etc.

Jesus is and will never be a God, he was nothing but a mere prophet, a powerful one.

 

[Bubbajay]

I can also say "Me and my father (biological one) are one" does that mean I'm freaking God?
Does that mean my father is God or my God, does it mean my biological father is your God? He also said he is the truth, does that mean he's God, too? Just because he's the truth? Haha, this is getting hilarious, you can't make this up.

He never said that he's God, show me where he says that he's God, that we should worship him, and I'll give up Islam right away.
A very simple and easy question, don't go and beat around the bush like most of you Christians do, show me where he says that he is God, in his own words, that we should worship him. Very simple question, it's not like I was asking you to solve me the hidden secrets of the Gaza pyramid.

The thing is, you CAN'T, none of you Christian people CAN'T, you'll show me some verses I, myself, know, and have learnt, such as that famous verse "Before Abraham was, I AM," he never said I AM GOD.
Do you guys think that he was speaking in Chinese back then to make you people understand that he never said he's God, that he never said worship me, or what?

Let's say he's "God," for example, what kind of "God" doesn't tell his people not to worship him? What kind of God allows himself to be killed off, to be mocked, to be laughed, to be tortured, to be nailed on a cross?

Also, there are many Christian people who believe that God sent himself on Earth to understand "people better." Like, what in tarnation?
Are you guys hearing yourself? He sent himself to Earth to understand mankind? Wow, no comment, this is something where you can't help yourself but to shake your head only.

Before Abraham, he existed, even the angels existed before Abraham, etc., etc., that doesn't make him a God, does it?
Jesus was with God before Abraham.

Many Christians consider this as a proof that Jesus is God because he is eternal. However, this language was pretty much common in the Bible, and it only means that he was in God’s foreknowledge.
The word “I AM” doesn't mean anything, it doesn’t claim divinity, anyone can say I am. I can say I AM, you can say I AM, I AM with God, God is WITH ME, SHE is with God, etc.

If Jesus wanted to be worshipped, then he'd make it crystal clear and not beating around the bush; "I am GOD, the Almighty, the most merciful in the entire Universe, worship me." etc.

Jesus is and will never be a God, he was nothing but a mere prophet, a powerful one.

Jesus said "before Abraham was I Am". We all know I Am was a name of the God of the Old Testament. Only a person unfamiliar with the bible would claim Jesus never said he was God. That very quote was the reason why the Pharisees wanted him killed.

 

[AdjeYen]

Muslims tolerate christians by killing them. Its happening today.

Of course, we do.
He was never killed, even though, those corrupt Romans and corrupt Jews (see what I did there? I said corrupt) wanted to kill him.
"That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not."

If he wasn't killed off, then who was on the cross instead of him? It was not Jesus who was crucified, but someone who “APPEARED” like him to the Jews and was killed in his place.

It's a fact, that the corrupt Jews wanted to crucify him, no one is denying this, they've had all the intention to kill him, someone was 10000000000000000000% crucified, but it wasn't JESUS.
If Jesus didn't die, then what happened to him? He was raised to HEAVEN without being put on the cross. Do you really believe the Almighty God would allow the Jews to torture our beloved prophet like that?

It's the same with every prophet, no one was killed off, they all died except for Jesus who God raised up to him and saved him from death.
He will be sent to this world again for preaching Islam.

 

[AdjeYen]

Jesus said "before Abraham was I Am". We all know I Am was a name of the God of the Old Testament. Only a person unfamiliar with the bible would claim Jesus never said he was God. That very quote was the reason why the Pharisees wanted him killed.

Thank you for ignoring the rest of my message, that just proves my point. I feel like I'm writing in hieroglyphics here, maybe you have a hard time understanding my question here, brother, I was asking you a simple question, a very simple question in your language, your mother language (perhaps) where did Jesus say in the bible, in your own Bible, that HE IS GOD, WORSHIP ME?

In before; "Before Abraham, I AM," and other familiar verses I have learnt myself for a while already.
"No one comes to the Father except through Me. ... Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Who's this Father he speaks of? Who is He? Oh, yes, you're actually right, I forgot, you Christian people have 3 Gods, not just one, but 3.
It's Jesus, it's his "Father," and the Holy Spirit, right?
You guys worship all three Gods in one, it's like NEScaffee, 3-in-1.
Sigh.

 

[AdjeYen]

I dont tolerate the epidemic of child-r*pe, female genital mutilation, forced marriages, honor killings, infantacide, taharrush, bachi bazi and etc. etc. from people who claim to be Muslims... all perpetrated under the cloak of "Islamic shariah/hadeeth" interpretations. I'm defending the deen of Islam and calling out "Muslims" who participate in these abhorrent, haraam and forbidden practices while claiming to represent Islam... if what I have described is your "faith" then you have clearly claimed something, but dont call it Islam. Islam has clearly made these wicked practices illegal, while born-and-bred "Muslims" have re-inserted them (and even worse) into their "religion".

This is the dumbest thing I have read in my life. If a Christian rapes a child, is he Christian? What kind of logic are you trying to show me here, mate?

How many "so-called Christians" have slaughtered innocent people in their NAME OF GOD? Could we really call them Christians, then? Then why are you attacking me and my religion now?

If it says in the book to care of women, to give them equal rights, to help them, to not force anyone to convert to Islam, then what the hell are you talking about here? You know nothing about Islam, you are doing nothing but throwing accusations here and spread lies here, and acting like you know something, when in fact, you don't, brother.

You have so many Christian leaders in your country, do you agree that they represent Christianity? Knowing that they're nailing you from behind with their empty promises and make most of the people's lives miserable?

Do you believe they follow the teachings of JESUS, see what I did here? I said TEACHINGS. Would you say they're Christians, knowing that they're using the bible for their filthy plans and fame?

I think you should stop watching the media and fill your brain with illogical and rubbish things, my brother.
It says nowhere in the Qur'an that we accept r*pe, forced marriages, honor killings, stop spreading lies, there's nothing written about honor killings in Qur'an or in the Hadith, that's what happens when you watch too much rubbish and trust everything the media throws at you.

Now, you go ahead and answer my questions above, since you think you're so smart and knowledgable regarding Islam and since you're offending me and spreading false news.
What about the Popes? The ones who r*pe boys, the ones who are covered in gold, do they represent Christianity, since you're so smart and throwing that hilarious logic towards me?
What about the churches, your churches where it's picture clear that there is a freaking All-seeing eye in your own church, filled with a bunch of satanic symbolism, the Sun being behind Jesus. Is that the Church you love to go to? There are so many Churces filled with these symbolisms, and YET, I FREAKING KNOW that there are GOOD, LIGHT ISH Churches who don't represent these things, who aren't satanic, who represents what a real Church stands for, but yet I'm not attacking you, I'm not blaming the whole freaking Christianity if one doesn't follow Christianity or the teachings of JEsus.

This is the big difference between us, my friend, you accuse, you put the whole book, one's religion to blame, you judge the whole Muslims, the nations, if someone claims to be" religious" but he doesn't follow its teachings. You think it's how it is in the book, it's how it is written, but it isn't.

What you don't understand is, that there are Christian people out there who do HARAM, prohibited things, too, what should we do abotu them, mate? Do I look like I care about them? If they do haram, is it my problem? If a muslim does haram thigns, is it my problem? Do you think they represent Christianity, they represent Islam if they do forbidden things? Do you think you're a Saint? I'm 100000% you make mistakes, just like I do, so stop playing the Saint here, please. We're born here to do good deeds, we're not perfect, but stop spreading lies.
If I tell them to stop doing that, and they don't listen to them, should I beat my head over it now?

No, I shouldn't, nor should you, so what are you trying to prove to me with your message now?

 

[Mohammed_123]

Thought i would drop in and say hi....

also i have a new decode...

SURAH FATIHA

FATIHA

612981

= 999
= 27
= H
= 8
= A
= 18
= AYN

= EYE OF RA / ALL SEEING EYE

SURAH BAKARAH

BAKARAH

2121918

= 42 99

= 42 18

= 42 AYN

= ILLUMINATI / EYE OF RA / ALL SEEING EYE

 

[Bubbajay]

Of course, we do.
He was never killed, even though, those corrupt Romans and corrupt Jews (see what I did there? I said corrupt) wanted to kill him.
"That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not."

If he wasn't killed off, then who was on the cross instead of him? It was not Jesus who was crucified, but someone who “APPEARED” like him to the Jews and was killed in his place.

It's a fact, that the corrupt Jews wanted to crucify him, no one is denying this, they've had all the intention to kill him, someone was 10000000000000000000% crucified, but it wasn't JESUS.
If Jesus didn't die, then what happened to him? He was raised to HEAVEN without being put on the cross. Do you really believe the Almighty God would allow the Jews to torture our beloved prophet like that?

It's the same with every prophet, no one was killed off, they all died except for Jesus who God raised up to him and saved him from death.
He will be sent to this world again for preaching Islam.

Funny how it was widely accepted that Jesus was killed until Islam came along 600 years LATER. And all this "revelation" coming from an angel calling itself "Gabriel", and everything it says is contradictory to the religion it claims to be a continuation of. Funny how that happens. Paul warned us of angels coming and teaching contradictory doctrines.

 

[Bubbajay]

Thank you for ignoring the rest of my message, that just proves my point. I feel like I'm writing in hieroglyphics here, maybe you have a hard time understanding my question here, brother, I was asking you a simple question, a very simple question in your language, your mother language (perhaps) where did Jesus say in the bible, in your own Bible, that HE IS GOD, WORSHIP ME?

In before; "Before Abraham, I AM," and other familiar verses I have learnt myself for a while already.
"No one comes to the Father except through Me. ... Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Who's this Father he speaks of? Who is He? Oh, yes, you're actually right, I forgot, you Christian people have 3 Gods, not just one, but 3.
It's Jesus, it's his "Father," and the Holy Spirit, right?
You guys worship all three Gods in one, it's like NEScaffee, 3-in-1.
Sigh.

Thomas called Jesus "MY LORD AND MY GOD". Not sure how clear it has to be for you to understand.

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

 

[Mohammed_123]

Thomas called Jesus "MY LORD AND MY GOD". Not sure how clear it has to be for you to understand.

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

btw i do not in any way believe that Jesus is God or Gods son.......

 

[AdjeYen]

Thomas called Jesus "MY LORD AND MY GOD". Not sure how clear it has to be for you to understand.

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Is this how you try to deceive the people, mate? Why don't you show us the full verse?

Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father (WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK HE'S REFERRING TO? JOHN CENA?). How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? (WHO IS HE?) The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority (IT MEANS HE CAN'T DO A THING WITHOUT THE SAY OF HIS FATHER). Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work (FATHER, GOD, ALMIGHTY GET IT? NOT JESUS BEING GOD). 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing (IT MEANS JESUS WAS PERFORMING SOME MIRACLES HERE AND THERE, THANKS TO GOD), and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father (DO YOU BELIEVE JESUS IS GOING TO HIMSELF? A GOD RETURNING TO HIMSELF?). 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

 

[AdjeYen]

Funny how it was widely accepted that Jesus was killed until Islam came along 600 years LATER. And all this "revelation" coming from an angel calling itself "Gabriel", and everything it says is contradictory to the religion it claims to be a continuation of. Funny how that happens. Paul warned us of angels coming and teaching contradictory doctrines.

If the whole mankind was about to jump from the 6th floor, would you jump, too? I mean, why not? Everyone is doing it, so why shouldn't I do it, too, right? If everyone said that Donald Trump is the AntiChrist, why shouldn't I believe them? Hey, everyone believes in it, so I must believe in it, too.
It's a genuine question, brother.

But wait, who's this Paul person you speak of? Who in the gracious world is Paul? Someone important?
Why should a guy who calls himself Paul, an irrelevant person who's not even connected to Jesus at all, never met him before, tell us something about the angels coming? He's not the prophet, he's not the messenger, he has no power. Therefore, Paul is irrelevant.

He had a vision of Jesus, that's right, a bloody VISION, which is not the same as meeting Jesus.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

This is the dumbest thing I have read in my life. If a Christian rapes a child, is he Christian? What kind of logic are you trying to show me here, mate?

How many "so-called Christians" have slaughtered innocent people in their NAME OF GOD? Could we really call them Christians, then? Then why are you attacking me and my religion now?

If it says in the book to care of women, to give them equal rights, to help them, to not force anyone to convert to Islam, then what the hell are you talking about here? You know nothing about Islam, you are doing nothing but throwing accusations here and spread lies here, and acting like you know something, when in fact, you don't, brother.

You have so many Christian leaders in your country, do you agree that they represent Christianity? Knowing that they're nailing you from behind with their empty promises and make most of the people's lives miserable?

Do you believe they follow the teachings of JESUS, see what I did here? I said TEACHINGS. Would you say they're Christians, knowing that they're using the bible for their filthy plans and fame?

I think you should stop watching the media and fill your brain with illogical and rubbish things, my brother.
It says nowhere in the Qur'an that we accept r*pe, forced marriages, honor killings, stop spreading lies, there's nothing written about honor killings in Qur'an or in the Hadith, that's what happens when you watch too much rubbish and trust everything the media throws at you.

Now, you go ahead and answer my questions above, since you think you're so smart and knowledgable regarding Islam and since you're offending me and spreading false news.
What about the Popes? The ones who r*pe boys, the ones who are covered in gold, do they represent Christianity, since you're so smart and throwing that hilarious logic towards me?
What about the churches, your churches where it's picture clear that there is a freaking All-seeing eye in your own church, filled with a bunch of satanic symbolism, the Sun being behind Jesus. Is that the Church you love to go to? There are so many Churces filled with these symbolisms, and YET, I FREAKING KNOW that there are GOOD, LIGHT ISH Churches who don't represent these things, who aren't satanic, who represents what a real Church stands for, but yet I'm not attacking you, I'm not blaming the whole freaking Christianity if one doesn't follow Christianity or the teachings of JEsus.

This is the big difference between us, my friend, you accuse, you put the whole book, one's religion to blame, you judge the whole Muslims, the nations, if someone claims to be" religious" but he doesn't follow its teachings. You think it's how it is in the book, it's how it is written, but it isn't.

What you don't understand is, that there are Christian people out there who do HARAM, prohibited things, too, what should we do abotu them, mate? Do I look like I care about them? If they do haram, is it my problem? If a muslim does haram thigns, is it my problem? Do you think they represent Christianity, they represent Islam if they do forbidden things? Do you think you're a Saint? I'm 100000% you make mistakes, just like I do, so stop playing the Saint here, please. We're born here to do good deeds, we're not perfect, but stop spreading lies.
If I tell them to stop doing that, and they don't listen to them, should I beat my head over it now?

No, I shouldn't, nor should you, so what are you trying to prove to me with your message now?

"This is the dumbest thing I have read in my life." Then you proceed to ignore the entire substance of my post. Perhaps the "dumbest thing I have read in my life" went over your head?

I never attacked you or your religion... you jumped onto MY line here, I had never interacted with you previously to my knowledge. You took exception with what I wrote, responded with an emotional diatribe and when you couldnt handle the discussion, you chose to attempt employing a false-narrative that I "attacked" you. Lame.

You cant justify what I posted, so instead of addressing Muslims well-known issues, you attempted to deflect and divert the conversation to "Christians". More of the same old playbook... scream about your neighbors yard while ignoring your own mess. But to be clear, I have yet to see any theoligical justification for child r*pe in Christianity. Yes, the Catholic church is out of control, but those are sins they willfully commit and then try to hide. The so-called "Muslims" of the born-and-bred variety have chose to employ the faulty science of "hadeeth" in order to justify the re-introduction of that which is clearly haraam.

I dont think you are cerebral enough for this discussion, and you are exposing yourself here. I made very clear that born-and-bred Muslims have re-introduced that which was forbidden by the faith. The faith of Islam doesnt allow for the activities I mentioned, so the born-and-bred Muslims re-introduced these haraam practices by claiming justification via false hadeeth. Quran forbids these activities, yet born-and-bred Muslims still want to participate in them, and hadeeths and fatwa's allow them the cover for engaging in the haraam. Quite simple, born-and-bred Muslims have placed hadeeth above Quran and Muhammed above Allah in their estimations.

Another paragraph of deflections regarding Christians... you aint fooling anyone. You have no justifications yet in the spirit of born-and-bred Muslims, you just cant quit typing... no matter how thoroughly you are exposing yourself.

I have been very clear that I not blaming "the whole Muslims" but your dishonest and incorrect stances require you to employ such tactics as strawmen, red-herrings and false-narratives.

"Stop playing the saint here" Firstly, there are no "saints" in true Islam eh? Secondly, I never caimed any such title so if standing up againsty child-r*pe makes a person a "saint" in your estimation, you are a complete degenerate. Standing up to these abhorrent pratcicies are not "saintly" behavior... its the bare minimum a human should do.

Since you want to appear as the arbitrator here, surely you can provide an answer to the following question:
Is hadeeth true and as powerful/necessary as you contend, therefore making it almost shariah law itself? Is it real as you state it is?
Because if your hadeeth is real, that justifies grown men raping children aged 6-9 years old.

Or is it not real, not something to be followed and humanity has evolved from the notion that grown men can marry 6-9 year old females? Which is it? Do you support the marriage of grown men and female children aged 6-9... or is that a practice you reject, thereby rejecting hadeeth?

 

[Daze]

It says nowhere in the Qur'an that we accept r*pe, forced marriages, honor killings, stop spreading lies, there's nothing written about honor killings in Qur'an or in the Hadith, that's what happens when you watch too much rubbish and trust everything the media throws at you.

It's amazing what some people believe really. If the media was correct on Islam, most of the haters would not be here. After all, 2 billion "terrorists", what chance would they have?

 

[Daze]

If Jesus wanted to be worshipped, then he'd make it crystal clear and not beating around the bush; "I am GOD, the Almighty, the most merciful in the entire Universe, worship me." etc.

Jesus is and will never be a God, he was nothing but a mere prophet, a powerful one.

It does no good to debate the trinny's here. None of them are interested in logic.

I watched a video a few days ago. A little girl reads reads "Jesus learned about God".. then she goes wait a minute, how does Jesus learn about himself?

A child can see it, yet we argue with adults? It is fruitless akhi. None of them are interested in reason. Perhaps the fire has already been decreed and God knows best.

 

[Orwell's mentor]

It does no good to debate the trinny's here. None of them are interested in logic.

I watched a video a few days ago. A little girl reads reads "Jesus learned about God".. then she goes wait a minute, how does Jesus learn about himself?

A child can see it, yet we argue with adults? It is fruitless akhi. None of them are interested in reason. Perhaps the fire has already been decreed and God knows best.

What a sweet child! As the saying goes, "Out of the mouths of babes." She's obviously trying to make sense of what she's reading - smart kid!