Who do Muslims really worship?

[Bubbajay]

You just cant leave it alone. Im exposing a lie which enables pedo-ish to run rampant in Muslim communities. You are promoting that lie because it aligns with your desire for online conflict. Therefore you are supporting child r*pe because it gives fuel to your digital engagement and arguments.

No. You're trying to change the 1400 year narrative of a religion that was built on perversion. Are you also going to change the laws in the Quran that mention prepubescent little girls with marriage and divorce? You gotta tough job ahead. Shill

 

[TempestOfTempo]

No. You're trying to change the 1400 year narrative of a religion that was built on perversion. Are you also going to change the laws in the Quran that mention prepubescent little girls with marriage and divorce? You gotta tough job ahead. Shill

Post the verse which allow for men to marry children. Thats a place to start examining the situation. Otherwise, your actions/reactions speak for themself.

 

[Bubbajay]

Its a verse speaking of prepubescent girls in the context of marriage and divorce, and I already posted it in the "my favorite Quran verse" section. Visit it there.

 

[fotw]

Surah 65 Divorce

1. O Prophet! When ye do divorce women, divorce them at their prescribed periods, and count (accurately), their prescribed periods: And fear Allah your Lord: and turn them not out of their houses, nor shall they (themselves) leave, except in case they are guilty of some open lewdness, those are limits set by Allah. and any who transgresses the limits of Allah, does verily wrong his (own) soul: thou knowest not if perchance Allah will bring about thereafter some new situation.

2. Thus when they fulfil their term appointed, either take them back on equitable terms or part with them on equitable terms; and take for witness two persons from among you, endued with justice, and establish the evidence (as) before Allah. Such is the admonition given to him who believes in Allah and the Last Day. And for those who fear Allah, He (ever) prepares a way out,

3. And He provides for him from (sources) he never could imagine. And if any one puts his trust in Allah, sufficient is ((Allah)) for him. For Allah will surely accomplish his purpose: verily, for all things has Allah appointed a due proportion.

4. Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy.

5. That is the Command of Allah, which He has sent down to you: and if any one fears Allah, He will remove his ills, from him, and will enlarge his reward.

6. Let the women live (in 'iddat) in the same style as ye live, according to your means: Annoy them not, so as to restrict them. And if they carry (life in their wombs), then spend (your substance) on them until they deliver their burden: and if they suckle your (offspring), give them their recompense: and take mutual counsel together, according to what is just and reasonable. And if ye find yourselves in difficulties, let another woman suckle (the child) on the (father's) behalf.

7. Let the man of means spend according to his means: and the man whose resources are restricted, let him spend according to what Allah has given him. Allah puts no burden on any person beyond what He has given him. After a difficulty, Allah will soon grant relief.

8. How many populations that insolently opposed the Command of their Lord and of His apostles, did We not then call to account,- to severe account?- and We imposed on them an exemplary Punishment.

9. Then did they taste the evil result of their conduct, and the End of their conduct was Perdition.

10. Allah has prepared for them a severe Punishment (in the Hereafter). Therefore fear Allah, O ye men of understanding - who have believed!- for Allah hath indeed sent down to you a Message,-

11. An Messenger, who rehearses to you the Signs of Allah containing clear explanations, that he may lead forth those who believe and do righteous deeds from the depths of Darkness into Light. And those who believe in Allah and work righteousness, He will admit to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, to dwell therein for ever: Allah has indeed granted for them a most excellent Provision.

12. Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number. Through the midst of them (all) descends His Command: that ye may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah comprehends, all things in (His) Knowledge.



After reading this chapter in it's context it seems to have been written for the protection of their wives to be treated in a just manner, in such a case. God knows what the Godless were doing with their women in those days.

Right off the bat I can think of two difficult questions that need to be considered in perspective. I'm sure there are many more important questions that should be considered as well, after all we're talking about marriage back then.

What was the average life span in around 570 CE? Some say it may have been between 20 to 35 years.

What was the average age in which women began their first period in around 570 CE ? Some say between the 5th - 12th century average was 14 years. Some say between 1300s - 1600s average age was 16 years.

I have heard about a Gynecologist saying the time of the first period is not the same for all women, for a few it can be as late as 23 years.

 

[Daze]

Surah 65 Divorce

1. O Prophet! When ye do divorce women, divorce them at their prescribed periods, and count (accurately), their prescribed periods: And fear Allah your Lord: and turn them not out of their houses, nor shall they (themselves) leave, except in case they are guilty of some open lewdness, those are limits set by Allah. and any who transgresses the limits of Allah, does verily wrong his (own) soul: thou knowest not if perchance Allah will bring about thereafter some new situation.

2. Thus when they fulfil their term appointed, either take them back on equitable terms or part with them on equitable terms; and take for witness two persons from among you, endued with justice, and establish the evidence (as) before Allah. Such is the admonition given to him who believes in Allah and the Last Day. And for those who fear Allah, He (ever) prepares a way out,

3. And He provides for him from (sources) he never could imagine. And if any one puts his trust in Allah, sufficient is ((Allah)) for him. For Allah will surely accomplish his purpose: verily, for all things has Allah appointed a due proportion.

4. Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy.

5. That is the Command of Allah, which He has sent down to you: and if any one fears Allah, He will remove his ills, from him, and will enlarge his reward.

6. Let the women live (in 'iddat) in the same style as ye live, according to your means: Annoy them not, so as to restrict them. And if they carry (life in their wombs), then spend (your substance) on them until they deliver their burden: and if they suckle your (offspring), give them their recompense: and take mutual counsel together, according to what is just and reasonable. And if ye find yourselves in difficulties, let another woman suckle (the child) on the (father's) behalf.

7. Let the man of means spend according to his means: and the man whose resources are restricted, let him spend according to what Allah has given him. Allah puts no burden on any person beyond what He has given him. After a difficulty, Allah will soon grant relief.

8. How many populations that insolently opposed the Command of their Lord and of His apostles, did We not then call to account,- to severe account?- and We imposed on them an exemplary Punishment.

9. Then did they taste the evil result of their conduct, and the End of their conduct was Perdition.

10. Allah has prepared for them a severe Punishment (in the Hereafter). Therefore fear Allah, O ye men of understanding - who have believed!- for Allah hath indeed sent down to you a Message,-

11. An Messenger, who rehearses to you the Signs of Allah containing clear explanations, that he may lead forth those who believe and do righteous deeds from the depths of Darkness into Light. And those who believe in Allah and work righteousness, He will admit to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, to dwell therein for ever: Allah has indeed granted for them a most excellent Provision.

12. Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number. Through the midst of them (all) descends His Command: that ye may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah comprehends, all things in (His) Knowledge.



After reading this chapter in it's context it seems to have been written for the protection of their wives to be treated in a just manner, in such a case. God knows what the Godless were doing with their women in those days.

Right off the bat I can think of two difficult questions that need to be considered in perspective. I'm sure there are many more important questions that should be considered as well, after all we're talking about marriage back then.

What was the average life span in around 570 CE? Some say it may have been between 20 to 35 years.

What was the average age in which women began their first period in around 570 CE ? Some say between the 5th - 12th century average was 14 years. Some say between 1300s - 1600s average age was 16 years.

I have heard about a Gynecologist saying the time of the first period is not the same for all women, for a few it can be as late as 23 years.

Its simple, they hate Islam for its simple truth of 1 God, 1 straight path. While there devils drive them to attack it. The age of Aisha (ra) is an easy window for them. Its clear to see they are not looking for an answer (as its been answered repeatedly), their only desire is to spread hate while Islam remains to be the fastest growing religion on the planet , with the majority of converts being woman.

Simply put, haters gotta hate.

A day is fast approaching when they will return to the Almighty and he will inform them of what they used to do.

Ma salaama.

 

[fotw]

While there devils drive them to attack it. The age of Aisha (ra) is an easy window for them. Its clear to see they are not looking for an answer (as its been answered repeatedly), their only desire is to spread hate

Simply put, haters gotta hate.

A day is fast approaching when they will return to the Almighty and he will inform them of what they used to do.

Ma salaama.

Agreed. The main problem with this is many believe it as truth without being objective and it causes division among believers. If it were that simple there wouldn't be so much confusion in this matter. It's not just them, Hadith has also muddied the waters, to the contrary Quran is clean all the way through. This is one reason why I do not trust Hadith. If finding the actual truth is important, there are many important questions that should be considered without taking someone's word for it by going out on a limb and slandering Muhammad as a p***phile. This reminds me of how others slander Joseph and Mary as Jesus being called the son of a whore. This type of thinking is irresponsible and downright reckless if you ask me.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Its a verse speaking of prepubescent girls in the context of marriage and divorce, and I already posted it in the "my favorite Quran verse" section. Visit it there.

Im not chasing your garbage around this site. We are having the discussion here. You made your contentions here. Either put up or be further exposed...

 

[Bubbajay]

Im not chasing your garbage around this site. We are having the discussion here. You made your contentions here. Either put up or be further exposed...

I'm not posting it again to satisfy anyone. People can easily find it if they want. Go try and shill on someone else.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

I'm not posting it again to satisfy anyone. People can easily find it if they want. Go try and shill on someone else.

You cant back up your contention. As usual.

 

[Bubbajay]

You cant back up your contention. As usual.

You're one mixed up individual. The verse I posted there couldn't be explained by anyone, and was ignored lol. Keep shilling for your pedo cult.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

You're one mixed up individual. The verse I posted there couldn't be explained by anyone, and was ignored lol. Keep shilling for your pedo cult.

You are on this site constantly yammering about pedo's and making accusations as such... yet cant post the verses to back up your claim. Im here to address them, if you have the guts to post them.

Want to see how easy it is to be "Bubbajay"? Here you go... "Why are you constantly defending the pedo's which make up the congregation of the church you attend? You know, the church you wont mention the name of because its full of pedo's..."

 

[Daze]

Agreed. The main problem with this is many believe it as truth without being objective and it causes division among believers. If it were that simple there wouldn't be so much confusion in this matter. It's not just them, Hadith has also muddied the waters, to the contrary Quran is clean all the way through. This is one reason why I do not trust Hadith. If finding the actual truth is important, there are many important questions that should be considered without taking someone's word for it by going out on a limb and slandering Muhammad as a p***phile. This reminds me of how others slander Joseph and Mary as Jesus being called the son of a whore. This type of thinking is irresponsible and downright reckless if you ask me.

Truth is only a 100 years ago the entire globe married at a young age. If you go to Europe it was very common to be a teenage widow because they married old men relatively young. Same for America. I remember being in school and the teachers taught us unrelated 11, 12 year olds slept together in the pioneering days which was 250ish years ago.

There is a reason God gave a woman her menstrual cycle early. While many today think they know better then the Almighty.

Compared to modern days.. One is told to wait until they're 18, waiting through 6 or more years of hormones. This entire time they are surrounded by all manner of temptations. Such as the youth today having free access to porn and taking sex ed in kindergarten.

They have all but destroyed the institution of marriage, now we see them priming the nafs, the lower desires. This "wait" is another tool of the devil that leads to zina. Especially today where the young mind is saturated with forbidden imagery.


We have pointed these things out time and time again but they hear what they want to hear. Its not so much as "believing it as truth". The vast majority of these haters worship the creation. Just ask the mushriks how many names their god has. You and i both know when mankind does this the Almighty sends them devils for companions. This is why almost none of them can be mistaken for representing Jesus, even by the atheists here.

Today Islam is the last remaining bastion and the devil hates it. This is why there is a constant onslaught on Islam in the media from pictures of the Prophet (saw) being drawn to random terrorist attacks carried out by alleged "Muslims".

In modern times marriage to a child is easily demonized, even though it was 1400 years ago. Let the haters hate. When they attack the Prophet (saw) they are literally spitting at the moon.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Truth is only a 100 years ago the entire globe married at a young age. If you go to Europe it was very common to be a teenage widow because they married old men relatively young. Same for America. I remember being in school and the teachers taught us unrelated 11, 12 year olds slept together in the pioneering days which was 250ish years ago.

There is a reason God gave a woman her menstrual cycle early. While many today think they know better then the Almighty.

Compared to modern days.. One is told to wait until they're 18, waiting through 6 or more years of hormones. This entire time they are surrounded by all manner of temptations. Such as the youth today having free access to porn and taking sex ed in kindergarten.

They have all but destroyed the institution of marriage, now we see them priming the nafs, the lower desires. This "wait" is another tool of the devil that leads to zina. Especially today where the young mind is saturated with forbidden imagery.


We have pointed these things out time and time again but they hear what they want to hear. Its not so much as "believing it as truth". The vast majority of these haters worship the creation. Just ask the mushriks how many names their god has. You and i both know when mankind does this the Almighty sends them devils for companions. This is why almost none of them can be mistaken for representing Jesus, even by the atheists here.

Today Islam is the last remaining bastion and the devil hates it. This is why there is a constant onslaught on Islam in the media from pictures of the Prophet (saw) being drawn to random terrorist attacks carried out by alleged "Muslims".

In modern times marriage to a child is easily demonized, even though it was 1400 years ago. Let the haters hate. When they attack the Prophet (saw) they are literally spitting at the moon.

We are not discussing what may or may not have been done 250 years ago. We are discussing the epidemic of grown men claiming to be Muslims using a false hadeeth to engage in the sexual assault of children aged 6-9.

 

[Bubbajay]

We are not discussing what may or may not have been done 250 years ago. We are discussing the epidemic of grown men claiming to be Muslims using a false hadeeth to engage in the sexual assault of children aged 6-9.

Haha! One of your own stooges uses the old Muslim pedo defense of "it was common back then".

You just admitted to your buddy " what may or may not have happened". So you argue with me it never happened, but admit it to him you're clueless as I knew you were from the very beginning.

You've basically discredited yourself and proved you're only trying to cover-up 1400 years of pedo abuse. It seems this discussion is over. Congratulations on being the biggest shill on the internet lol

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Haha! One of your own stooges uses the old Muslim pedo defense of "it was common back then".

You just admitted to your buddy " what may or may not have happened". So you argue with me it never happened, but admit it to him you're clueless as I knew you were from the very beginning.

You've basically discredited yourself and proved you're only trying to cover-up 1400 years of pedo abuse. It seems this discussion is over. Congratulations on being the biggest shill on the internet lol

You dimwit, I have already addressed their bogus justifications. Im exposing their lie. You are desperate to defend it because it gives fuel to your pathetic one-man internet crusade smh.

I was specifically addressing his contentions regarding what "may or may not" have transpired 250 years ago. Are you always this deficient? You still haven't posted your verses of "proof" either. Surprise surprise...

 

[Bubbajay]

I did post it, you're too lazy to press a couple buttons to view it. Your dumb shilling doesn't work. I do find it amusing though.

Also you did try and deny the pedo that's rampant in islam . now its "may or may not have happened" lol

 

[TempestOfTempo]

I did post it, you're too lazy to press a couple buttons to view it. Your dumb shilling doesn't work. I do find it amusing though.

Also you did try and deny the pedo that's rampant in islam . now its "may or may not have happened" lol

You pathetic pariah, If I was trying to "deny pedo thats rampant" by Muslims, why would I be confronting them? Again you stunted simpleton, the "may or may not" was in reference to Daze trying to playoff what "may or may not" have happened 100-250 years ago in the US as somehow justification for Muslims current hadeeth fabrication and manipulation.

You refuse to post whatever verses you claim backs up your assertations for good reason. Because you and "Muslims" like Daze share the same lie of hadeeth... and for whatever reasons, you are BOTH desperate to keep it afloat.

 

[Bubbajay]

Lol. Everyone's wrong but you. What a sociopath.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Lol. Everyone's wrong but you. What a sociopath.

Pedo, sociopath... you toss accusations around so freely, yet you cant even post your "proof" of what we are actually discussing. You were wrong all the way around, and still havent posted any verses. Its clear you are playing to an audience here, but in your case it appears to be an audience of one... yourself.

 

[Bubbajay]

Every Muslim is wrong but only you have the real truth that can change the way the world views Islam. Muhammad didn't really marry a 6 year old at the behest of his maid who gave him two choices (he chose both!!!) as to who would make a good bride. Its all lies!!!

You definitely have illusions of grandeur in that you alone hold the truth and all other Muslim scholars over the centuries are dumb and couldn't understand the Hadith as you do. You must be the third Imam who's going to lead Islam over the whole wide world!!!!!lol