The Bible is full of suffering

[Bubbajay]

As if there is an actual point from which to derail, beyond the surface skimming Bible is miserable.

Put simply: Islam follows a different god. That is the only logical conclusion.

Yep. This guy has a few loose screws. I've finally figured that out after all this. I'm done with him and his trolling. Denial is his best vriend. He's a reprobate (rejected by God).

 

[Bubbajay]

Are you a Russian taxidriver?



I understand clear as day what you are CLAIMING, but you don't comprehend anything beyond that.

Quit trolling
Are you the CIA? how much do they pay you to put out disinfo like this?

 

[Nikōn]

Yep. This guy has a few loose screws.

Says the guy who thinks there is a 'g' in the word Messiah

 

[Bubbajay]

Says the guy who thinks there is a 'g' in the word Messiah

Get a job troll

 

[Nikōn]

I'm done with him and his trolling. Denial is his best vriend. He's a reprobate (rejected by God).

Refusing to back up your claims, throwing countless non-sequiturs and personally attacking me is an act of trolling by definition. I am not doing any of them to you.

 

[Nikōn]

Get a job troll

Now you've gone full-blown into gaslighting me, which is very sociopathic. However this was my favorite troll from you:

Cyrus is referred to with a lower case g, not an upper case G meaning deity. Please get it right.

Isaiah 45 literally calls Cyrus "annointed" with a lower case g.

The rest of the scapegoating about Muslims was just too over the top and out of context for any legitimate user to actually post in the manner you did.

 

[DavidSon]

As if there is an actual point from which to derail, beyond the surface skimming Bible is miserable.

Put simply: Islam follows a different god. That is the only logical conclusion.

Your statement is wildly illogical. Saying "a different God" is preposterous when the groups in question all claim to worship the GOD OF ABRAHAM. Maybe you want to brush up on a general overview:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions

"Today, the Abrahamic religions are one of the largest major divisions in comparative religion (along with the Indian religions, the Iranian religions, and the East Asian religions). Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are the Abrahamic religions with the largest number of adherents. Abrahamic religions with fewer adherents include the Baháʼí Faith, the Druze Faith, Samaritanism, and Rastafarianism."

"...The Abrahamic God is the conception of God that remains a common feature of all Abrahamic religions. The Abrahamic God is conceived of as eternal, omnipotent, omniscient and as the creator of the universe. God is further held to have the properties of holiness, justice, omnibenevolence, and omnipresence. Proponents of Abrahamic faiths believe that God is also transcendent, but at the same time personal and involved, listening to prayer and reacting to the actions of his creatures. God in Abrahamic religions is always referred to as masculine only."

Transcendent yet personal- that is heavy. I mean this is religion 101. To say "a different God" only incites hatred I think it's ridiculous.

Earlier someone posted (paraphrasing): "You know I don't like that Islam downplays Jesus' divinity (even though he's the most recognized Prophet in the Quran)." At least with that there's an honest opinion and something we can actually evaluate. You can say what you believe without tearing other people down.

 

[recure]

Frauds like recure and Bubba react emotionally to compensate for a lack of historical or etymological insight.

More of the usual rhetoric that's thrown out by you clowns when one does not engage in your perpetual off-topic quackery. First you have Daze who accused me of derailing because I asked for evidence of a claim he made which he couldn't provide. He "ignored" me when I exposed him as a petty propagandist yet he keeps up the circlejerk of liking posts made against me. Then you have the delusional Nikon with avatars of Christian theologians who blatantly misquoted what I said then accused me of evading because I refused to engage his straw-man argument. There's also the clueless DesertRose who, when I asked for a source backing his claim, referred me to a book he admittedly didn't read because the book, as I pointed out, was by a Christian scholar of Islam who actually supported my view on the matter. So make whatever accusations you want against me, because as I said in my previous observation, there is no point in debating you clowns because as disingenious trolls you will debate ad nauseam and unscrupulously use any tactic to deceive.

 

[Nikōn]

Then you have the delusional Nikon with avatars of Christian theologians who blatantly misquoted what I said

I'd like to know how I misquoted you, when I quoted your entire post (with bold highlight on your ad hominem rhetoric)

then accused me of evading because I refused to engage his straw-man argument.

Maybe this is a Freudian-slip of some kind because I never mentioned you after quoting you once, maybe you have a guilty conscience.


Anyway, you've shown yourself to be a very angry, malicious person with very little love of God in your heart.

 

[seekinheart]

More of the usual rhetoric that's thrown out by you clowns when one does not engage in your perpetual off-topic quackery. First you have Daze who accused me of derailing because I asked for evidence of a claim he made which he couldn't provide. He "ignored" me when I exposed him as a petty propagandist yet he keeps up the circlejerk of liking posts made against me. Then you have the delusional Nikon with avatars of Christian theologians who blatantly misquoted what I said then accused me of evading because I refused to engage his straw-man argument. There's also the clueless DesertRose who, when I asked for a source backing his claim, referred me to a book he admittedly didn't read because the book, as I pointed out, was by a Christian scholar of Islam who actually supported my view on the matter. So make whatever accusations you want against me, because as I said in my previous observation, there is no point in debating you clowns because as disingenious trolls you will debate ad nauseam and unscrupulously use any tactic to deceive.

Dude, you're awesome. I don't blame you, but I do love to hear your rebuttals on topics. So think about it for our sake !

 

[Lyfe]

Really?

So you know Jesus better 2000 years later then those who actually walked and talked with him, Shared his life?
Can we make an attempt at common sense?

“About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. (Luke 24:19)
The people CALLED him Prophet because he must have Told them he was a Prophet.

Also notice the people said Before God, Not God incarnate. Had Jesus been God the people would have surely said so Lyfe.



Nope, I'm saying Jesus was a Prophet given miracles exactly like Moses was.

Is God not greater then Jesus?
The Father is greater then I (John 14:28)
Jesus thinks so. ...But God is one???



That you reject reason.

What do you think will happen to a man who enters judgement day having spent his entire life worshiping prophet Noah? Does he have a prayer at heaven?

None other here has bothered to answer this question. Lets see if you can.

I could throw the same logic back at you and ask if the author of the Quran knew more about Jesus then the actual eyewitnesses who saw and wrote these things in the Bible.

The demons knew who Jesus was and he commanded them to not tell anyone. He also forbid his disciples not to reveal certain things until the proper time as well. Most didnt believe in him when he said he was the son of God despite his miracles. Do you think they would have believed him if he plainly said he was God?

Either way this will just turn into another circular debate. The Bible doesnt support the Islam version of Jesus. Theres no way around it.

In the Bible Jesus is both God in human flesh and the son of God. In Islam he is just a prophet that didnt even die for the sins of the world. He wasn't even crucified. This isnt by mistake either, its intentional. The kingdom of darkness knows that there is no forgiveness of sin apart from the person and work of Jesus Christ. The new age version of Jesus isnt that different from the Islam version in that they both attack the Bible in the same way. Both deny the divinity and preeminance of Christ and both undermine the the purpose and work of the cross and what it had accomplished. Satan knows that he doesnt need to erase Jesus entirely. All he has to do is skew the divinity of Christ and what he accomplished for man by his death and ressurection. He knows all he has to do is attack the notion that Jesus died for the sins of the world, because if he can do that then he erases awareness of the only avenue that leads to God. This way men remain dead in their trespasses and sins with no real hope.

You are right, this conversation is circular as it is with all trinitarians who refuse to acknowledge basic truths in the Bible.

Spoiler

No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only. (Matthew 24:36)
Here Jesus makes a distinction between what he knows and what the Father knows.

My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me, yet not as I will, but as Thou will. (Matthew 26:39)
Jesus’ will is likewise autonomous from God’s Will. Jesus is seeking acquiescence to God’s will.

For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. (John 5:26)
Jesus received his life from God. God received his life from no one. He is eternally self-existent.

By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me. (John 5:30)
Jesus says, “by myself, I can do nothing.” This indicates that Jesus is relying upon his own relationship with God. He is not trying to “please myself” but rather is seeking to “please the one who sent me.”

The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees the Father doing, because whatever the Father does, the Son does also. (John 5:19)
Jesus declares that he is following a pattern laid down by God. He is expressing obedience to God.

Why do you call me good? No one is good, except God alone. (Mark 10:18)
Here Jesus emphatically makes a distinction between himself and God.

The Father is greater than I. (John 14:28)
This is another strong statement that makes a distinction between Jesus and God.

Our Father, which art in Heaven. (Matthew 6:9)
He didn’t pray, Our Father, which art standing right here!”

My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me? (Matthew 27:46)
Inconceivable if he is God the Creator.

The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being. (Hebrews 1:3)
Jesus is the exact representation of his being. I send my representative to Congress. He is not me, myself. He is my representative.

When tempted, no one should say, God is tempting me. For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt. (James 1:13)
Jesus was tempted in every way, but God cannot be tempted. This is why Jesus said, “don’t call me good, none are good, only God.”

So once again Lyfe, the man who spends his life worshiping prophet Noah, is he seeing heaven?

Quoting the book of John and Hebrews only damages your case against the divinity of Christ. Straightaway in John we see Jesus divinity being estabalished.

John 1:1-14 KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth

You also quote Hebrews. Straightaway Jesus divinity is being proclaimed.

Hebrews 1:1-14 KJV
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: A sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee With the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; And the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest: And they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, And they shall be changed: But thou art the same, And thy years shall not fail. But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?


I have a question for you. Why are there animal sacrifices to atone for sin in the OT? Once you learn the answer you will have to eventually discard the OT as well.

 

[seekinheart]

I could throw the same logic back at you and ask if the author of the Quran knew more about Jesus then the actual eyewitnesses who saw and wrote these things in the Bible.

The demons knew who Jesus was and he commanded them to not tell anyone. He also forbid his disciples not to reveal certain things until the proper time as well. Most didnt believe in him when he said he was the son of God despite his miracles. Do you think they would have believed him if he plainly said he was God?

Either way this will just turn into another circular debate. The Bible doesnt support the Islam version of Jesus. Theres no way around it.

In the Bible Jesus is both God in human flesh and the son of God. In Islam he is just a prophet that didnt even die for the sins of the world. He wasn't even crucified. This isnt by mistake either, its intentional. The kingdom of darkness knows that there is no forgiveness of sin apart from the person and work of Jesus Christ. The new age version of Jesus isnt that different from the Islam version in that they both attack the Bible in the same way. Both deny the divinity and preeminance of Christ and both undermine the the purpose and work of the cross and what it had accomplished. Satan knows that he doesnt need to erase Jesus entirely. All he has to do is skew the divinity of Christ and what he accomplished for man by his death and ressurection. He knows all he has to do is attack the notion that Jesus died for the sins of the world, because if he can do that then he erases awareness of the only avenue that leads to God. This way men remain dead in their trespasses and sins with no real hope.


Quoting the book of John and Hebrews only damages your case against the divinity of Christ. Straightaway in John we see Jesus divinity being estabalished.

John 1:1-14 KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth

You also quote Hebrews. Straightaway Jesus divinity is being proclaimed.

Hebrews 1:1-14 KJV
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: A sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee With the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; And the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest: And they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, And they shall be changed: But thou art the same, And thy years shall not fail. But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?


I have a question for you. Why are there animal sacrifices to atone for sin in the OT? Once you learn the answer you will have to eventually discard the OT as well.

The thing is he literally said before Abraham was I AM

He literally did call himself God

 

[Lyfe]

The thing is he literally said before Abraham was I AM

He literally did call himself God

They always want something more plain.

 

[Maldarker]

"Sorrow cannot touch the man who is not in the bondage of anything, who owns nothing." -- Buddha

LMAO then he never lived a true life.

Sorrow has very little to do with the material & if it does in your life then maybe you need to prioritize whats important because its not truly sorrow then for lose of material is but not compared to the lose of a single life. Quoted Me

 

[Daze]

I could throw the same logic back at you and ask if the author of the Quran knew more about Jesus then the actual eyewitnesses who saw and wrote these things in the Bible.

The demons knew who Jesus was and he commanded them to not tell anyone. He also forbid his disciples not to reveal certain things until the proper time as well. Most didnt believe in him when he said he was the son of God despite his miracles. Do you think they would have believed him if he plainly said he was God?

Either way this will just turn into another circular debate. The Bible doesnt support the Islam version of Jesus. Theres no way around it.

In the Bible Jesus is both God in human flesh and the son of God. In Islam he is just a prophet that didnt even die for the sins of the world. He wasn't even crucified. This isnt by mistake either, its intentional. The kingdom of darkness knows that there is no forgiveness of sin apart from the person and work of Jesus Christ. The new age version of Jesus isnt that different from the Islam version in that they both attack the Bible in the same way. Both deny the divinity and preeminance of Christ and both undermine the the purpose and work of the cross and what it had accomplished. Satan knows that he doesnt need to erase Jesus entirely. All he has to do is skew the divinity of Christ and what he accomplished for man by his death and ressurection. He knows all he has to do is attack the notion that Jesus died for the sins of the world, because if he can do that then he erases awareness of the only avenue that leads to God. This way men remain dead in their trespasses and sins with no real hope.


Quoting the book of John and Hebrews only damages your case against the divinity of Christ. Straightaway in John we see Jesus divinity being estabalished.

John 1:1-14 KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth

You also quote Hebrews. Straightaway Jesus divinity is being proclaimed.

Hebrews 1:1-14 KJV
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: A sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee With the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; And the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest: And they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, And they shall be changed: But thou art the same, And thy years shall not fail. But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?


I have a question for you. Why are there animal sacrifices to atone for sin in the OT? Once you learn the answer you will have to eventually discard the OT as well.

Is this not at least 50% of the exact same post you wrote before?
Seems like I'm reading the exact same thing twice. Do you copy and paste yourself?

Regardless, it is fruitless. Cya on judgement day Lyfe.

 

[Lyfe]

Is this not at least 50% of the exact same post you wrote before?
Seems like I'm reading the exact same thing twice. Do you copy and paste yourself?

Regardless, it is fruitless. Cya on judgement day Lyfe.

You should ask yourself why there was a need for the shedding of blood(to atone for sin) in the OT. The idea of God requiring a covering and substitute for sin is not a NT concept. The high priest had to make atonement for the sin of the people every year by the shedding of blood. Why?

 

[Daze]

You should ask yourself why there was a need for the shedding of blood(to atone for sin) in the OT. The idea of God requiring a covering and substitute for sin is not a NT concept. The high priest had to make atonement for the sin of the people every year by the shedding of blood. Why?

Lyfe, when you take 20 lines (and your posts are the same, i checked) and copy them you kinda make yourself irrelevant. Talk about being circular, when you re-quote your own words, i mean its clear absolutely nothing i am saying is even being considered.

As i said, this is fruitless, we are done here. Good day sir.

 

[Lyfe]

Lyfe, when you take 20 lines (and your posts are the same, i checked) you kinda make yourself irrelevant. Talk about being circular, when you
re-quote your own words, i mean its clear absolutely nothing i am saying is even being considered.

As i said, this is fruitless, we are done here. Good day sir.

I quoted your response, but for some reason the message board did what it did which is why the double response appears. If you go back you can see there is a part that you didnt respond to.

 

[Maldarker]

Really?

So you know Jesus better 2000 years later then those who actually walked and talked with him, Shared his life?
Can we make an attempt at common sense?

“About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. (Luke 24:19)
The people CALLED him Prophet because he must have Told them he was a Prophet.

Also notice the people said Before God, Not God incarnate. Had Jesus been God the people would have surely said so Lyfe.



Nope, I'm saying Jesus was a Prophet given miracles exactly like Moses was.

Is God not greater then Jesus?
The Father is greater then I (John 14:28)
Jesus thinks so. ...But God is one???



That you reject reason.

What do you think will happen to a man who enters judgement day having spent his entire life worshiping prophet Noah? Does he have a prayer at heaven?

None other here has bothered to answer this question. Lets see if you can.

if you want common sense then you would see that the common folk where the ones who followed HIM. They knew that if they bowed down to him it would be considered worship & yet they did that breaking a commandment that they would be very familiar with. (BTW Noah never died for your sins and had many faults see JESUS NEVER SINNED that's the difference was found with out fault blameless.) The men in the boat bowed down in front of Jesus and said, "You are truly the Son of God." ... Thou shalt not bow down unto them, nor serve them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me; and showing mercy unto the thousandth genera- tion of them that love Me and keep My commandments.

 

[Daze]

I quoted your response, but for some reason the message board did what it did which is why the double response appears. If you go back you can see there is a part that you didnt respond to.

I see, the first top of the page i read was word for word the same. I assumed you copied it to throw it back at me again.

Still, you will not change your position so what is the point of this? I suggest you put your head on the ground and pray like the early Christians, maybe God will show you the truth. Until then, lets agree to disagree. Peace.