Who do Muslims really worship?

Lyfe

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As i said, that's the same deal the Prophet of Islam made with the Christians 1400 years ago. Do you want to hear the result? Christians took a day or so and decided it wasn't worth the risk. So they rejected his offer.

Isn't that interesting? Christians who lived 14 centuries ago, much closer to the age Jesus actually walked, were not willing to put their souls on the line against the Muslims when it came down to who was actually upon the truth.

Its not foolish when there are no doubts, while the Bible has 90 verses that are in contradiction to your beliefs Lyfe. Sorry, but this is a fact. May the only one worthy of worship open your eyes.
You have no doubts. According to your own determination you sought to place a curse on other people and their families. Not beliving that it would fall on you, but someone else and their family. What you have done is very wicked. Your curses cant touch the body of Christ so I pray they would all be broken in Jesus name and that God would not hold this foolishness against you.
 

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You have no doubts. According to your own determination you sought to place a curse on other people and their families. Not beliving that it would fall on you, but someone else and their family. What you have done is very wicked. Your curses cant touch the body of Christ so I pray they would all be broken in Jesus name and that God would not hold this foolishness against you.
Its laughable honestly.

Tell me how wicked it is on judgement day Lyfe, when you see the hellfire and realize there is no escape. When its over and done. When you realize you wasted your entire life worshiping the creation. Right around the time when Jesus says.. "I never knew you, away from me you evildoers."
Then you can tell me how wicked "i" am.

What can i say, some people were created for the eternal fire. Of this there is no doubt.
 

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Its laughable honestly.

Tell me how wicked it is on judgement day Lyfe, when you see the hellfire and realize there is no escape. When its over and done. When you realize you wasted your entire life worshiping the creation. Right around the time when Jesus says.. "I never knew you, away from me you evildoers."
Then you can tell me how wicked "i" am.

What can i say, some people were created for the eternal fire. Of this there is no doubt.
Jesus is the way the truth and the life. Nobody goes to the father but through him. Unless a man is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God for a man must be born of the water and SPIRIT, for if the spirit of him who was raised from the dead dwell in you, he shall ALSO quicken your mortal bodies to be with him. There is no other name given among men whereby we must be saved, there is ONLY ONE mediator between God and man, and that man is Jesus Christ. He who has the son has life, but he who doesnt have the son shall not see life, for the wrath of God abideth upon him. Unless you believe you will also die in your sin.

I thank God that I am not a servant, but been adopted by the spirit of adoption as a SON filled with the spirit of God so that I may freely know the things that are of him.

You need Jesus Christ and you need to be born again. Lest you be the one who falls short of the grace of God and perishes with a zeal that is not in accordance with the truth!
 

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1 John 5

10Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son.11And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.12He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
 

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Jesus is the way the truth and the life. Nobody goes to the father but through him. Unless a man is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God for a man must be born of the water and SPIRIT, for if the spirit of him who was raised from the dead dwell in you, he shall ALSO quicken your mortal bodies to be with him. There is no other name given among men whereby we must be saved, there is ONLY ONE mediator between God and man, and that man is Jesus Christ. He who has the son has life, but he who doesnt have the son shall not see life, for the wrath of God abideth upon him. Unless you believe you will also die in your sin.

I thank God that I am not a servant, but been adopted by the spirit of adoption as a SON filled with the spirit of God so that I may freely know the things that are of him.

You need Jesus Christ and you need to be born again. Lest you be the one who falls short of the grace of God and perishes with a zeal that is not in accordance with the truth!
How old is the world? 6k years? A million? Other then God who knows. Don't you feel sorry for all those people who were born before Jesus? Because according to your indoctrination, they have no chance.

Answer me an honest question Lyfe, why are you adverse to praying to God the same way Jesus did, with head on the ground? It is because you might actually find truth?

I mean, I'm troubled by this line.. "I thank God that I am not a servant " when nothing comes before the Almighty as anything else. Including Jesus, which your book clearly points out in Acts 3:13.

 

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Jesus said he who is of the truth hears his voice. He that is of God heareth the words of God, you hear them not, because you are not of God. Jesus sheep hear his voice. You hear it not, because you are not his sheep. He gives his sheep eternal life and no man can pluck them out of his hand.
 

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Jesus said he who is of the truth hears his voice. He that is of God heareth the words of God, you hear them not, because you are not of God. Jesus sheep hear his voice. You hear it not, because you are not his sheep. He gives his sheep eternal life and no man can pluck them out of his hand.
What about the millions and billions who lived before your god sacrificed himself? How can they ever be forgiven?
Don't you realize how ridiculous your beliefs are?

Do you have eyes but fail to see, and ears but fail to hear? (Mark 8:18)

For indeed, it is not eyes that are blinded, but blinded are the hearts which are within the breasts. (22:46 Quran)


I noticed you ignored my question on praying the way Christians of old did.
 

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What about the millions and billions who lived before your god sacrificed himself? How can they ever be forgiven?
Don't you realize how ridiculous your beliefs are?

Do you have eyes but fail to see, and ears but fail to hear? (Mark 8:18)

For indeed, it is not eyes that are blinded, but blinded are the hearts which are within the breasts. (22:46 Quran)


I noticed you ignored my question on praying the way Christians of old did.
Your question sounds like something the pharisees would ask when they asked Jesus why his disciples dont fast or wash their hands. They were judging according to man made traditions and not with righteous judgment or by the actual word of God. Jesus would often speak to the father after speaking in parables like he was a person there right next to him. He went about his ministry in a constant attitutude of prayerfulness. There wasnt and isnt a set way to pray if you are a child of God. Sometimes the spirit will lead us to pray in different ways. Sometimes on our face and sometimes just speaking to God while not really doing anything. By the blood of Jesus we are given access to the most holy place. We are told to approach it with boldness. We have been given the spirit of adoption and no longer identify to God as mere servants, but rather as sons or daughters.
 

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Your question sounds like something the pharisees would ask when they asked Jesus why his disciples dont fast or wash their hands. They were judging according to man made traditions and not with righteous judgment or by the actual word of God. Jesus would often speak to the father after speaking in parables like he was a person there right next to him. He went about his ministry in a constant attitutude of prayerfulness. There wasnt and isnt a set way to pray if you are a child of God. Sometimes the spirit will lead us to pray in different ways. Sometimes on our face and sometimes just speaking to God while not really doing anything. By the blood of Jesus we are given access to the most holy place. We are told to approach it with boldness. We have been given the spirit of adoption and no longer identify to God as mere servants, but rather as sons or daughters.

And We have certainly
created for Hell many of the jinn and mankind. They have hearts with which they do not understand, they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear. Those are like livestock; rather, they are more astray. It is they who are the heedless. (7:179 Quran)


Once again i suggest you put your head on the ground and ask the Creator for guidance, or forever wonder in darkness.

Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was. (3:59 Quran)

For as the Father has life in Himself, so
he has granted the Son to have life in himself. (John 5:26)
 

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And We have certainly created for Hell many of the jinn and mankind. They have hearts with which they do not understand, they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear. Those are like livestock; rather, they are more astray. It is they who are the heedless. (7:179 Quran)


Once again i suggest you put your head on the ground and ask the Creator for guidance, or forever wonder in darkness.

Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was. (3:59 Quran)

For as the Father has life in Himself, so
he has granted the Son to have life in himself. (John 5:26)
I am listening to the creator. The word of God tells me that I am a son to God and he is my father, that he dwells within me through the holy spirit. Why would i trade that for the lesser promises and comforts of Islam? No power and freedom over sin. No holy spirit where God dwells within me. No adoption as a son or daughter. I remain a slave in a works based religion that doesnt even promise me eternal life. Allah is far off and ill never know if my deeds will be enough to meet his approval. You are a slave though you can be a son and be free in Jesus name
 

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Christ can give you light and save you from works based religion. Your works will never be enough to a holy God. You as a fallen creature can only appear as utterly defiled and sinful. God is too holy to let ANY sin into his presence. You need to be washed clean by the blood of Christ.
 
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Christ can give you light and save you from works based religion. Your works will never be enough to a holy God. You as a fallen creature can only appear as utterly defiled and sinful. God is too holy to let ANY sin into his presence. You need to be washed clean by the blood of Christ.
He has religious spirit in bondage needs deliverance more than likely
 

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Educate yourself. Aisha was somewhere between 17-19 when Muhammed married her. Thats what Im going round and round with the born-and-bred Msulims regarding... it has been proven, yet they cant ever seem to address the proof. Muhammed was no pedo, the wicked people just re-inserted this forbidden practice into the their "interpretations" of Islam after he died, just as they have with a lot of forbidden stuff.
You can quit with that now. The only "Muslims" who deny Muhammad married a six year old are Americans. Talk with any middle eastern Muslim and they admit it, in fact their defense is "that was the customs of the time". I've talked with an Imam from Turkey about the exact subject.

Muslim scholars from 800ad until day have no trouble talking about it, or the fact that Muhammad thought he was first possessed by a demon after his supposed encounter with " gabriel" in a cave. Your attempted apologetics prove how deceitful you are.
 

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He has religious spirit in bondage needs deliverance more than likely
Its amazing that Muslims despise the idea of being saved by grace through faith. If they only realized how holy and pure God is in comparison to themselves they would tremble. Even their best deeds are as filthy rags. One lawless deed is enough to be cast into hell. They need the blood of Jesus to remove their sin.
 

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Its amazing that Muslims despise the idea of being saved by grace through faith. If they only realized how holy and pure God is in comparison to themselves they would tremble. Even their best deeds are as filthy rags. One lawless deed is enough to be cast into hell. They need the blood of Jesus to remove their sin.
Nah, Muslims just despise setting up partners with the Creator.

How long do we need to do this round and round Lyfe? I mean really, you and Red are probably the only 2 trinnys on VC that haven't made my ignore. I think we are both pretty confident we'll find truth on judgement day. So whats the point? End it already.

And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him." (29:46 Quran)


Take the last word if you think its necessary. As I've said before, there could be a verse where Jesus says "i am not god" and you will ignore it. Just like all of the other 90ish verses. I mean you worship a man who says "My God, My God!, Why Have YOU forsaken me?"

I mean whats the point?

Peace.
 

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Its laughable honestly.

Tell me how wicked it is on judgement day Lyfe, when you see the hellfire and realize there is no escape. When its over and done. When you realize you wasted your entire life worshiping the creation. Right around the time when Jesus says.. "I never knew you, away from me you evildoers."
Then you can tell me how wicked "i" am.

What can i say, some people were created for the eternal fire. Of this there is no doubt.
Your god created people just to burn them in eternal fire without a chance for salvation? What a wicked god you worship.
 

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Nah, Muslims just despise setting up partners with the Creator.

How long do we need to do this round and round Lyfe? I mean really, you and Red are probably the only 2 trinnys on VC that haven't made my ignore. I think we are both pretty confident we'll find truth on judgement day. So whats the point? End it already.

And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him." (29:46 Quran)

Take the last word if you think its necessary. As I've said before, there could be a verse where Jesus says "i am not god" and you will ignore it. Just like all of the other 90ish verses. I mean you worship a man who says "My God, My God!, Why Have YOU forsaken me?"

I mean whats the point?

Peace.
Well there is no such verse where Jesus says he isn't God, though there are many in which he says he is God. Usually Christ rejectors ignore those in favor of the ones where Jesus shows us his humanity while being in the flesh by saying things like "the Son could do nothing of Himself" without reading a few verses later where he clearly claims to be one with the Father, and having Godly attributes.
 

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Nah, Muslims just despise setting up partners with the Creator.

How long do we need to do this round and round Lyfe? I mean really, you and Red are probably the only 2 trinnys on VC that haven't made my ignore. I think we are both pretty confident we'll find truth on judgement day. So whats the point? End it already.

And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him." (29:46 Quran)

Take the last word if you think its necessary. As I've said before, there could be a verse where Jesus says "i am not god" and you will ignore it. Just like all of the other 90ish verses. I mean you worship a man who says "My God, My God!, Why Have YOU forsaken me?"

I mean whats the point?

Peace.
Im trying to warn you that your sins outweigh your good. One sin is enough to be cast into hell. You are not good nor are your deeds relevant to a holy and perfect God. Your body, mind, soul, and spirit are utterly defiled and tainted. Your garments are soiled. Your heart has been corrupted and polluted with sin and nothing can change that but the salvation of God through Christ and the shedding of his blood and the holy spirit. If you dont have a covering for your sins and if they arent blotted out completely then you will have to pay for them. This is the God of the Old Testament. He is perfect and no sin shall stand before him. Nothing defiled can stand in his presence or before him. Thats why the high priest would fall over dead when he went into the holy of holies if there was even a speck of sin on him that wasnt atoned for. His motives were irrelevant he needed his sin taken away, completely. Thats why the covenant of the OT was enacted with the covering of blood. That is why the blood sacrifices were enacted. It was to show how costly sin was and to foreshadow the ultimate sacrifice for sin, Christ. Someone else always had to bare the penalty for sin through shedding of blood. If you are relying on your own deeds and motives to get you into heaven you are doomed. You will only stand guilty and defiled before God for he is holy, blameless, and perfect. I will leave it at that.
 
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