Who do Muslims really worship?

[Orwell's mentor]

While i don't read every post on here, i do beleive you are the 4th person to publicly announce ignoring our friend Bubba.

Crazy, isn't it? How so many people don't want to hear the words of Jesus? That's who these Christians represent right? Loving thy neighbor, turning of the cheek and all that?

Truth is it is the devils that drive them. All you have to do is read thier posts as mockery, laughter and insults are all they know.

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I honestly don't get why one would need to attack another's position in order to hold one's position. If one can only reply with insults, then they're letting others know they don't think their position is as strong as they claim it is. That being said, I don't understand the need to be an online Annie Wilkes with the constant online unprovoked vitriol and attacks.

There's obviously more to be concerned about right now...

 

[seekinheart]

Everybody, including Muslims, those whose bad deeds exceeds good deeds and if Allah 'till that moment have not pardoned them.

Muhammad's definitely in hell then

 

[AdjeYen]

Muhammad's definitely in hell then

I hope you've put your bravery coat on whilst typing that. Good-looking out, kiddo.

 

[Michi]

I hope you've put your bravery coat on whilst typing that. Good-looking out, kiddo.

Sounds like a veiled threat. Wtf is wrong with people here? Everyone: Muslim, Christian, wtf ever woke stay in your fucking lane. Stop shitting on one another's religious beliefs.

 

[Lyfe]

Everybody, including Muslims, those whose bad deeds exceeds good deeds and if Allah 'till that moment have not pardoned them.

Everybody, including Muslims, those whose bad deeds exceeds good deeds and if Allah 'till that moment have not pardoned them.

Thats not very promising.

 

[Daze]

Sounds like a veiled threat. Wtf is wrong with people here? Everyone: Muslim, Christian, wtf ever woke stay in your fucking lane. Stop shitting on one another's religious beliefs.

Nice language Christian. Did you learn that from your priest?

Truth be told i probably would have responded in a similar manner. Sadly for some, its completely ok to insult Islams prophet (saw).

Imagine someone insulting Jesus, I'm guessing you'd ignore it. Because Lord knows you're no hypocrite.

Have you noticed no Muslim on the planet would ever insult Jesus? But put the shoe on the other foot and clearly it is free reign. There are even "Christians" like you defending such fine examples of other "Christians".


Want to know who will be in hell? Those who break the 1st commandment. 'Thou shall have no gods But Me"

 

[Daze]

I honestly don't get why one would need to attack another's position in order to hold one's position. If one can only reply with insults, then they're letting others know they don't think their position is as strong as they claim it is. That being said, I don't understand the need to be an online Annie Wilkes with the constant online unprovoked vitriol and attacks.

There's obviously more to be concerned about right now...

Its the ad hominem fallacy. They know they can't refute Prophet Muhammad's message itself, so they try to attack him, such as the 6 yr old line.

I think trinnys know their message is flawed, but arrogance keeps them from admitting it. I mean their own book contradicts their core beliefs repeatedly. If you can't bring yourself up, then what choice do you have then to try to bring the other one down?

Consider David Wood, many trinnys here love him. They consider him a strong asset to Christianity. I've read comments under his videos singing his praises.. But when you go and actually take a look at the mans work... 100% of it is attacking Islam. This is literally all the guy does. A literal hate preacher. How and in what way does that represent Jesus? How does that spread Christianity? But some Christians will take it because this is all they have.

Its sad honestly, whats even sadder is those who worship the creation will be gathered. Most trinnys hate Hinduism, but don't realize they will be gathered up with them and all other polytheists come judgement day.

Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ (Matthew 7:22)

Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ (Matthew 7:23)

Response?

 

[Michi]

Nice language Christian. Did you learn that from your priest?

Truth be told i probably would have responded in a similar manner. Sadly for some, its completely ok to insult Islams prophet (saw).

Imagine someone insulting Jesus, I'm guessing you'd ignore it. Because Lord knows you're no hypocrite.

Have you noticed no Muslim on the planet would ever insult Jesus? But put the shoe on the other foot and clearly it is free reign. There are even "Christians" like you defending such fine examples of other "Christians".


Want to know who will be in hell? Those who break the 1st commandment. 'Thou shall have no gods But Me"

Quit putting everyone in a fucking basket. I'm not Jesus I'm Michi. Shitting on other people 's religions is shitty period. I would absolutely love hearing the beautiful things of Islam. It is so close so dear to those who believe it. I know because I hold my religion so very close to myself. I would like to share the beautiful things of it. But not here. Everyone just wants to fight and argue and feel justified. It's stupid and brings everything down.

Daze you have shit on Christians your share, point fingers, belittle, call hypocrites...get off your high horse.

 

[Daze]

Quit putting everyone in a fucking basket. I'm not Jesus I'm Michi. Shitting on other people 's religions is shitty period. I would absolutely love hearing the beautiful things of Islam. It is so close so dear to those who believe it. I know because I hold my religion so very close to myself. I would like to share the beautiful things of it. But not here. Everyone just wants to fight and argue and feel justified. It's stupid and brings everything down.

Daze you have shit on Christians your share, point fingers, belittle, call hypocrites...get off your high horse.

Sad, that you trigger my profanity filter in multiple sentences.

Look, its simple. Seek insulted Islams prophet. AdjeYen responded. In typical biased fashion you ask AdjeYen if he is threatening others.

I do nothing more here then point out the flaws in man worship. Perhaps by the will of the Almighty i can pull one soul from the fire.
The fact is the majority of my family members are Christian, including both my parents who have passed on.. Why would i attack Christinatiy? Do you see me saying one cross word to any Unitarian here?

Please highlight one instance where i have insulted your religion. Such as Bubba has, where he said "piss be upon him" towards Islams prophet.
Is this the conduct you are defending?

 

[Nikōn]

Anyone think it's funny that Muslims never get insulted nor criticised on mainstream media, but Christians always do.

Taking an aerial view,

I think the funny thing about this comment (perhaps writing it ironically?) is that Muslims only get negative publicity by the Media and News, they never get anything positive said about them (yet in response, knowing how deceiving the media is, it causes many to sincerely study it).
Christians on the other hand, being forefathers of the secular culture (which in turn gobbled up Christians in return), have a culture that is schizophrenically rooted in all of the cultural views and assumptions of Christianity while trying to churn it towards it's own liberal-progressive aims (henceforth so many LGBT pastors and LGBT-friendly churches these days in the name of "love" and "grace"). Christianity doesn't have the same frothing hatred towards it that Islam has in western media but it does have a kind of self-hatred going on (including by Christians themselves who are often ashamed to hold any religious beliefs) because it is not the target of colonist-occupation and is rather (more often than not) the colonizer itself. In western media religion itself is mostly hated except for in the context of speculative SciFi, were it is more or less tolerated.

Religion as a whole is severely under fire in the modern era and in the 21st century, outside of the echo chamber of this forum, more religious people (whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim etc) are thankfully starting to push back against it, realizing that they don't have to put up with antiTheism..
In my use of the terms "Muslims" and "Christians" here, I am not emphasizing either over each other in this context but I am saying that you are clearly dishonest about one group's media representation, and also that both groups have different problems that have to deal within in this second century of 'modernity'.

 

[Bubbajay]

You should be more careful.

Matthew
18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the Kingdom of heaven?
18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and [then] become as little children, ye shall NOT enter into the Kingdom of heaven.
18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the Kingdom of heaven.
18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Mark
10:13 And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and [his] disciples rebuked those that brought [them].
10:14 But when Jesus saw [it], he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the Kingdom of God.
10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the Kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
10:16 And he took them up in his arms, put [his] hands upon them, and blessed them.
10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit Eternal Life?
10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou ME good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God.

That's a far cry from getting your doctrine from a 4 year old. How many 4 years old you see behind a pulpit?

 

[Bubbajay]

What's funny is Muslims smearing the name of Jesus Christ through the mud is OK to them, in fact they do it so often its akin to breathing to them. Any and every thread eventually turns into it FIRST, then when someone points out the absurdity of any Islamic doctrine its automatic bullying. Wanna see real victims? Search the back pages of newspapers where Christians are killed daily by these perpetual victims.

The fact of the matter is there would be a "jihad" in America today to spread Islam if there weren't 350,000,000 guns in the hands of American citizens. Islam itself basically admitted this already.

 

[Nikōn]

What's funny is Muslims smearing the name of Jesus Christ through the mud is OK to them

You not agreeing with them is not them 'smearing' his name through the mud, it is only that your theology/philosophy contradicts theirs (as theirs is, in itself, a refutation of yours).
Unlike for Judaism where Jesus is believed to be burning with his mother in hellfire, Jesus is regarded as basically the second most important person in human history according to Islam, which is the opposite of 'smearing' (which you regard merely just because they reject the idolatrous deification, or overexhaulting/overexaggerating of him).

 

[seekinheart]

I hope you've put your bravery coat on whilst typing that. Good-looking out, kiddo.

Erm ok ? You do realise to a Christian Muhammad is a heretical sinner. Anyone who sees him as anything else has no discernment as a Christian. I'm sorry. Let's just keep it real. As far as prophets go every other "prophet" in terms of morality is greater.

 

[seekinheart]

Taking an aerial view,

I think the funny thing about this comment (perhaps writing it ironically?) is that Muslims only get negative publicity by the Media and News, they never get anything positive said about them (yet in response, knowing how deceiving the media is, it causes many to sincerely study it).
Christians on the other hand, being forefathers of the secular culture (which in turn gobbled up Christians in return), have a culture that is schizophrenically rooted in all of the cultural views and assumptions of Christianity while trying to churn it towards it's own liberal-progressive aims (henceforth so many LGBT pastors and LGBT-friendly churches these days in the name of "love" and "grace"). Christianity doesn't have the same frothing hatred towards it that Islam has in western media but it does have a kind of self-hatred going on (including by Christians themselves who are often ashamed to hold any religious beliefs) because it is not the target of colonist-occupation and is rather (more often than not) the colonizer itself. In western media religion itself is mostly hated except for in the context of speculative SciFi, were it is more or less tolerated.

Religion as a whole is severely under fire in the modern era and in the 21st century, outside of the echo chamber of this forum, more religious people (whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim etc) are thankfully starting to push back against it, realizing that they don't have to put up with antiTheism..
In my use of the terms "Muslims" and "Christians" here, I am not emphasizing either over each other in this context but I am saying that you are clearly dishonest about one group's media representation, and also that both groups have different problems that have to deal within in this second century of 'modernity'.

Oh yes that's why they literally have a weaponsied word against those who speak against Islam.

Islamophobe/islamophobia

 

[Bubbajay]

You not agreeing with them is not them 'smearing' his name through the mud, it is only that your theology/philosophy contradicts theirs (as theirs is, in itself, a refutation of yours).
Unlike for Judaism where Jesus is believed to be burning with his mother in hellfire, Jesus is regarded as basically the second most important person in human history according to Islam, which is the opposite of 'smearing' (which you regard merely just because they reject the idolatrous deification, or overexhaulting/overexaggerating of him).

We're not talking about rabbinic judaism. You claiming Jesus Christ isn't God is the same as me saying Islams "Allah" isnt God, but somehow you all don't/refuse to understand this. So when you take a quick jab at the divinity of Jesus Christ it's blasphemy to a real Christian. I know for a fact you understand this, but do it anyway. Any subsequent remarks on Islam falls on you, or any person who blasphemes the name of Jesus Christ.

I know all about the claims of Rabbinic judaism, I also know what they believe and who they worship.

 

[Nikōn]

Erm ok ? You do realise to a Christian Muhammad is a heretical sinner. Anyone who sees him as anything else has no discernment as a Christian. I'm sorry. Let's just keep it real. As far as prophets go every other "prophet" in terms of morality is greater.

The paradox here is that to a Samaritan and to a Jew, the same kind of logic applies to Jesus and they reject him under similar kinds of logic (except they're less hysterical about it).
I think the Christian argument about Islam makes a lot of case about the Samaritan argument against Judaism and the Jewish argument against Christianity.
As for the moral argument, that can often amount to simple misrepresentation much of the time. But in terms of the Prophets of the Old Testament, I think Joshua Son Of Nun and King David are rather case in point that within Biblical representation you are lying.
But representing any of these figures in this way is just disrespectful and indicative that you don't really even believe in the Prophets in the first place.

 

[Bubbajay]

Erm ok ? You do realise to a Christian Muhammad is a heretical sinner. Anyone who sees him as anything else has no discernment as a Christian. I'm sorry. Let's just keep it real. As far as prophets go every other "prophet" in terms of morality is greater.

I would say an abomination, not just a heretical sinner.

 

[Nikōn]

Oh yes that's why they literally have a weaponsied word against those who speak against Islam.

Islamophobe/islamophobia

Antichrist/Antichristian

Antisemite/Antisemitism


Is there a point you are trying to make here?

 

[Bubbajay]

The paradox here is that to a Samaritan and to a Jew, the same kind of logic applies to Jesus and they reject him under similar kinds of logic (except they're less hysterical about it).
I think the Christian argument about Islam makes a lot of case about the Samaritan argument against Judaism and the Jewish argument against Christianity.
As for the moral argument, that can often amount to simple misrepresentation much of the time. But in terms of the Prophets of the Old Testament, I think Joshua Son Of Nun and King David are rather case in point that within Biblical representation you are lying.

Rabbinic judaism is the religion of the Pharisees as they've admitted many times. Christianity is the religion of the OT. The whole book attest to Jesus Christ from the feast days, the law, the biblical stories, and the prophets. They all talk about Jesus.